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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    So I did some research on our pal Katsung... the first indicator was that google actually has a suggested search if you enter "Katsung47" in the search field.

    I've found Katsung on numerous internet forums, such as forums for UT San Diego
    http://forums.utsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=122947

    Also an entry called "Kathaksung" is in the urban dictionary here
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=kathaksung

    He (they?) have been spreading conspiracy theories for the better part of several years, in 2011 he proposed the government of norway was allying with Arabs on Christianforums
    http://www.christianforums.com/t7580954-3/

    He's even posted his stuff on a forum dedicated to high speed sport motorcycles!

    http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/war...tml#post771673

    this guy really gets around.... it's obvious he has nothing to do with the actual subject of the forums he posts on... only that he wants to spread his conspiracy theories.
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    So that's your hypothesis?

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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    I don't get why they haven't banned him. He isn't really a member. He never interacts with the membership. He never discusses OC or even carry in general. He exists on this forum to do one thing: Spam us with his Bravo Sierra.

    What is really unfortunate is that one of the members of the staff indicated that he had been banned, yet he wasn't.

    They should ban him for spamming us and delete all of his posts and threads. If he really wants to discuss his crap with us, he should also post on topic and participate in discussions of his BS, rather than just dropping on us like we were his toilet.

    C'mon staff! Do something about this spamming troll!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I don't get why they haven't banned him. He isn't really a member. He never interacts with the membership. He never discusses OC or even carry in general. He exists on this forum to do one thing: Spam us with his Bravo Sierra.

    What is really unfortunate is that one of the members of the staff indicated that he had been banned, yet he wasn't.

    They should ban him for spamming us and delete all of his posts and threads. If he really wants to discuss his crap with us, he should also post on topic and participate in discussions of his BS, rather than just dropping on us like we were his toilet.

    C'mon staff! Do something about this spamming troll!


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    With all due respect to you and others expressing their displeasure on this issue.

    katsung47 is as much a registered user here as anyone else. Many of his posts are placed in the Social Lounge where there is wide latitude on what is appropriate - some might suggest too broad, not limiting enough. That you (collectively or individually) find his posts not pleasing should not be a call to action.

    Not sure why anyone would think he had been banned - the Moderator Control Panel does not indicate any such action has been taken.

    To be clear, I am neither defending his Modus operandi nor his content - indeed there does seem to be some sufficient reason to review these. Still a thread like this is nought but a public attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    With all due respect to you and others expressing their displeasure on this issue.

    katsung47 is as much a registered user here as anyone else. Many of his posts are placed in the Social Lounge where there is wide latitude on what is appropriate - some might suggest too broad, not limiting enough. That you (collectively or individually) find his posts not pleasing should not be a call to action.

    Not sure why anyone would think he had been banned - the Moderator Control Panel does not indicate any such action has been taken.

    To be clear, I am neither defending his Modus operandi nor his content - indeed there does seem to be some sufficient reason to review these. Still a thread like this is nought but a public attack.
    I don't consider it an attack, this is all publically available information.

    I don't even think Katsung is a "person" I think it's a group of people... I don't see how one person can regularily troll so many forums of such a wide variety so relatively often... I think there's several people manning the different Katsungs....
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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    Oh, well, he is registered! So all is OK. Got it.

    Like CaP was registered?

    Like joannie was registered?

    Like kwikernu was registered?

    Registration is not the issue. He is spamming the site. He is not a participating user. He is a spammer.

    No offense, but I'd rather that John or Mike weighed in on this one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    --snipped--

    No offense, but I'd rather that John or Mike weighed in on this one.


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    It has already been forwarded/reported for consideration which is the correct way to respond.
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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    Since so many object to his (possibly their) spamming, don't you think it would be appropriate for John or Mike to respond directly in this thread? I do. I hope one of the two of them do too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Since so many object to his (possibly their) spamming, don't you think it would be appropriate for John or Mike to respond directly in this thread? I do. I hope one of the two of them do too.


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    I don't object. If you are not happy you have the option to ignore.

    I don't recall that moniker resorting to personal attacks too much.

    Just a person with different ideas and suggestions.

    He proposes hypothesis and looks for facts to support them; this is not how hypothesis testing is performed. But he does no different than our politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    What is really unfortunate is that one of the members of the staff indicated that he had been banned, yet he wasn't.
    Cite please? Who said he had been banned? Mike and I are the only ones with the power to ban and I am more than willing to consider doing so but I have not yet taken action against this poster nor do I recall speaking about him before.

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    I am trying to spare the individual some personal embarrassment. I was asked to stop talking about it because something was in the works and we did not want to alert the poster. But, nothing ever happened, so I continued posting about it. Believe me or don't; it ain't that important.

    Anyway, now that the issue has your attention, do you find this "member" to be spamming the site and, therefore, deserving of a ban? I hope so, but it is entirely your call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I am trying to spare the individual some personal embarrassment. I was asked to stop talking about it because something was in the works and we did not want to alert the poster. But, nothing ever happened, so I continued posting about it. Believe me or don't; it ain't that important.

    Anyway, now that the issue has your attention, do you find this "member" to be spamming the site and, therefore, deserving of a ban? I hope so, but it is entirely your call.
    A cite which John requested can be sent by PM - protects public disclosure. If a member is going beyond their authorization, John needs to be aware.

    It is important, because you have made accusations and continue to stir the pot.
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    And that could have been sent by PM also!

    I am not going to out the person who made that statement. It is the rest of the staff from whom I am avoiding disclosure. Choose to believe me or not, your choice.

    While you are here, is anyone going to deal with the report I have made (twice now) in private on another matter, or do I have to make a public stink about that one too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    And that could have been sent by PM also!

    I am not going to out the person who made that statement. It is the rest of the staff from whom I am avoiding disclosure. Choose to believe me or not, your choice.

    While you are here, is anyone going to deal with the report I have made (twice now) in private on another matter, or do I have to make a public stink about that one too?
    The suggested purpose of a PM was obviously made to protect the anonymity of the individual.....but you know that.

    So you continue to make claims, but won't confirm. One might question your motivation.

    You apparently refer (make a public stink) to conversations we have had on how/by what means a poster may be banned. I have no intentions of responding to PMs made in that tone and frankly the tools for accomplishing such are not the subject open for public discussion.

    Respond properly and move on. John is aware - move on. You test the limits - suggest that you move on.
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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    No, I refer to reports (thereby avoiding a public stink) on another matter that has, so far (unsurprisingly) been ignored by the staff, not to any conversation I had with a staff member on how any individual poster might be dealt with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    No, I refer to reports (thereby avoiding a public stink) on another matter that has, so far (unsurprisingly) been ignored by the staff, not to any conversation I had with a staff member on how any individual poster might be dealt with.

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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    If you go back to my "public stink" comment to which you replied quoting those words, you will notice that I brought up another matter that the staff has ignored despite my having repeated the report. So, when you chose to comment on my preferring NOT to raise a public stink, I responded about that separate matter, not about katsung47.

    If you cannot figure that out, and choose instead to post a juvenile picture, that's on you.

    However, as I told you in a PM earlier, I have come to expect that kind of behavior from you as a moderator, that, while I respect you as a poster on the subject of rights in general and the RKBA in particular, I have serious reservations about the job you do as a moderator and how you use that job to your personal advantage. I am not the only poster who has noticed that and posted about it in the open (usually followed by a threat and a locked thread).

    So, have you looked into the reports on that other matter, or do I need to raise that "public stink"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    If you go back to my "public stink" comment to which you replied quoting those words, you will notice that I brought up another matter that the staff has ignored despite my having repeated the report. So, when you chose to comment on my preferring NOT to raise a public stink, I responded about that separate matter, not about katsung47.

    If you cannot figure that out, and choose instead to post a juvenile picture, that's on you.

    However, as I told you in a PM earlier, I have come to expect that kind of behavior from you as a moderator, that, while I respect you as a poster on the subject of rights in general and the RKBA in particular, I have serious reservations about the job you do as a moderator and how you use that job to your personal advantage. I am not the only poster who has noticed that and posted about it in the open (usually followed by a threat and a locked thread).

    So, have you looked into the reports on that other matter, or do I need to raise that "public stink"?
    Circuitous discussion you are having with yourself where only you have the correct answers.

    I operate in accordance with John's instructions and at his pleasure - there is no personal agenda. Where there possibly might be some difference in application is the subject of locking threads and editing posts.

    I have less patience/tolerance for unbridled noise. Nevertheless I will always yield to him, both out of respect and recognition that the forum is his. You could do worse.

    BTW - yes, I would have locked this thread a long time ago, but for acceptance of John's thinking.
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    I'm of two minds on Katsung47.

    I agree with Eye95 that he's not a member. I hinge this assessment not on his registration, but on the fact that he does not share the same goals and activities of the group. Just drive-by postings of conspiracy theory stuff. I've only ever seen him once reply to another poster. EMN's research is interesting.

    On the other hand, Katsung47 seems harmless enough. Even nutty people can possess facts. Its how they evaluate those facts that makes them nutty. So, I do occasionally skim his material just to see if he's come up with anything factual but not reported in the mainstream or alternative media.

    I think Eye95 reveals his low opinion of his fellow man by thinking he has to warn readers after every single post by Katsung47. I'm betting the only people who would need warning are people like Katsung. And, I can't imagine we have too many of them as regular readers here.
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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    I see my responses as being of benefit in that responses to him on-topic have dropped dramatically as folks realize that his posts are just drive-bys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I see my responses as being of benefit in that responses to him on-topic have dropped dramatically as folks realize that his posts are just drive-bys.


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    I confess, I hadn't thought of that. I would say that's a valid reason.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Katsung47, a mobile internet troll....

    I appreciate that. I think it is a valid reason because posters who don't know, especially new users, respond, thinking that they are actually participating in a discussion in which challenges to the BS that this troll posts will be addressed. Instead, the responses, ignored as they are, seem to lend an air of credibility to his leavings.

    My goal, at least until the management realizes how bad he makes this site look to visitors, is to make sure that folks only assign the credibility to him that they would assign to any other "member" who doesn't care a whit about OC, never discusses anything, and only uses us as a toilet.


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    7790. Katsung47 is obviously a government official designated to propagate misinformation, create derision and indecisiveness, and create diabolical conspiracy issues on Internet message boards.

    The posting of such meandering, illogical conspiracies will lend readers of said boards to reject the absurdities of the conspiracies, and will eventually indoctrinate the readers into accepting the official government-sponsored stories. By rejecting conspiracies, the readers invariably lower the threshold of future conspiracies, as each one will harden the resolve to accept the easiest solution; the official story. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

    Secondary mission objective is to occupy readers with debunking conspiracies, ending up in wasting thousands of hours (collectively) instead of focusing on truly crucial matters. Source: http://youtu.be/k5reDsSIiAk

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    ......... ending up in wasting thousands of hours (collectively) instead of focusing on truly crucial matters. --snipped--
    Hmmm, well yes, a few of our long term members do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Hmmm, well yes, a few of our long term members do that
    And some of the staff members too.

    Your turn.

    Oh, and have you checked the reports to find the one that I don't want to have to PM Mike and John and don't want to have to raise a "public stink" about?

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