If you can't control yourself and break minor laws multiple times , are you to be trusted carrying a concealed pistol?
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Denied CPL in wayne county
- Thread starter Sunnyday1
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If you can't control yourself and break minor laws multiple times , are you to be trusted carrying a concealed pistol?
7om5hipp
Regular Member
Name one person who does not ever break any laws. If you carry anywhere near a school you are breaking fed law, if you go one mph over the speed limit you are breaking the law by not going to posted limit. Just because he has something from 8 years ago does not mean he should be banned from having the ability to protect himself or his family. What if this was you, would you still think the same way that you are thinking now, or is it the fact that you are not the one being denied that allows you the ability to sit there and pass judgement.
And sorry if that is rude or mean or anything, I just hate when people cast the first stone.....
And sorry if that is rude or mean or anything, I just hate when people cast the first stone.....
casper
Guest
A big +1 to that Sir.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
An individual who believes he does not "break minor laws multiple times" is simply ignorant of the extent of law.
Raggs
Regular Member
in a word, yes.
smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
does the second amendment say "if you prove to the rest of society that you are responsible enough to carry a gun, you will forthwith be issued a permit and that permit and your ability to keep it, pay for it and be socially responsible will be the source of your right to keep and bear arms?"
Raggs
Regular Member
sure! all you have to do is "read betwen the lines" and take "poetic license"
SpringerXDacp
New member
No, not for those residing in Michigan who have been verified by a law enforcement authority to determine if he or she qualifies for a license to possess, carry, transport, buy, sell, etc. MCL 28.422 (License To Purchase) and MCL 28.422a (CPL).
OK, back to your regular scheduled programming.
budlight
Regular Member
How is "Carrying anywhere near a school breaking fed law?" Are we talking about felons or some unusual situation? Cite Please?
Raggs
Regular Member
budlight
Regular Member
Thanks, so from what I read this wouldn't apply then........
Exceptions to the possession prohibition include:
•Firearm possessors licensed by the state or locality to possess the gun, whose law requires that before the person obtains a license, state or local law enforcement verify that the person is qualified to receive the license;
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Real OCers don't have permits.
7om5hipp
Regular Member
Don't have a permit myself, granted I did not know that your state allowed you to carry near a school with a permit. Although I do carry when I walk to pick my daughter up from school, and I was not trying to tell people not to carry. Was just using it as a point, heck there are probably old blue book laws that we are all breaking everyday without knowing it, lol.
budlight
Regular Member
Great....but in Michigan OCers can't carry anywhere on the premises of the following WITHOUT a CPL (that includes the parking lot) that has a liquor license....i.e. party store, Wal-mart, 7-11, etc, plus banks, churches, courts, theaters, sports areanas, day care centers, and hospitals. See Michigan MCL 750.234d
MCL 750.234d provides that it is a 90 day misdemeanor to possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
A depository financial institution (e.g., bank or credit union)
A church or other place of religious worship
A court
A theater
A sports arena
A day care center
A hospital
An establishment licensed under the Liquor Control Code
The above section does not apply to any of the following:
The owner or a person hired as security (if the firearm is possessed for the purpose of providing security)
A peace officer
A person with a valid concealed pistol license (CPL) issued by any state
A person who possesses on one of the above listed premises with the permission of the owner or owner’s agent
budlight
Regular Member
The state doesn't allow me or prohibit myself as there is no state law against it. Federal Law states you must be licensed by the state as one of it's exceptions, therefore I am legal to do so as I am licensed. Just trying to be clear as you mentioned earlier we all break the law.
budlight
Regular Member
Just an FYI, REAL OCers can't LEGALLY carry concealed or open in all the places people with permits have. Again, just pointing out a fact. You can be against permits, and I understand the frustration, but they keep you out of trouble if you are carrying in a location that requires one.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Thanks a lot for all the comments. I just wanted to give everyone an update. I went to the board meeting today without an attorney, and was approved for my CPL.:banana: The board even went as far as to state that I should have never been denied because my dwls 2 nd offense was over 8yrs old?????Well it cost me a days pay, but I'm just glad it's approved.
Well it cost me a days pay, but I'm just glad it's approved.
Raggs
Regular Member
Thanks a lot for all the comments. I just wanted to give everyone an update. I went to the board meeting today without an attorney, and was approved for my CPL.:banana: The board even went as far as to state that I should have never been denied because my dwls 2 nd offense was over 8yrs old?????
sweet!
7om5hipp
Regular Member
Congrats man, glad to hear they approved you.