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    Starbucks no longer Open Carry (or CC) friendly.

    Hello, relatively new here and hope I am posting this in the right section. Was reading on my home gun forum (PAFOA.org) that Starbucks is issuing a directive that to their stores that they are no longer allowing people to carry in their stores. There is a copy of the letter and a confirmation by a trusted member who called to confirm. I know a lot of people patronize them because of their past stance and thought people would want to know their new stance.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/lounge-108/23...starbucks.html
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    Another link to same letter OP?

    http://dogpupkus.com/pafoa/sbux.jpeg

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    Ya know, as a business owner, if I had a bunch of buffoons carrying in loaded rifles and shotguns into my place of business, I'd put a "no clowns allowed" sign on my front door too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowda View Post
    Ya know, as a business owner, if I had a bunch of buffoons carrying in loaded rifles and shotguns into my place of business, I'd put a "no clowns allowed" sign on my front door too.
    So you consider LAC exercising their rights and not threatening anyone as clowns, stupid and foolish. While we prefer carrying properly holstered handguns as we go about our normal every day lives, I would not be so quick to castigate others for their choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    So you consider LAC exercising their rights and not threatening anyone as clowns, stupid and foolish. While we prefer carrying properly holstered handguns as we go about our normal every day lives, I would not be so quick to castigate others for their choice.
    Plus there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that the decision was made due to OC long guns. What some are doing is bad as the anti OC rhetoric by the concealed only fanatics. Some people should REALLY be ashamed for jumping to conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chowda View Post
    Ya know, as a business owner, if I had a bunch of buffoons carrying in loaded rifles and shotguns into my place of business, I'd put a "no clowns allowed" sign on my front door too.
    Trolling poster is trolling..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    So you consider LAC exercising their rights and not threatening anyone as clowns, stupid and foolish. While we prefer carrying properly holstered handguns as we go about our normal every day lives, I would not be so quick to castigate others for their choice.
    I would call someone carrying an AR into SB just to make a point (and causing the rest of us carriers to be deemed unwelcome) a buffoon.

    They did something they thought would help the cause. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that it would hurt the cause. It did hurt the cause. Buffoonery by buffoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Plus there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that the decision was made due to OC long guns. What some are doing is bad as the anti OC rhetoric by the concealed only fanatics. Some people should REALLY be ashamed for jumping to conclusions.
    So what did cause it? Folks with properly holstered handguns going in, ordering a cup, enjoying it, and leaving?

    Or folks going in with an AR, handling the damned thing, and taking pictures? Or folks portraying SB as "pro-gun" and scheduling SB appreciation events?

    I believe it was the latter two. Buffoonery.

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    Does anyone have specific knowledge of these alleged events or are there some amongst us that are assuming too much?

    Personally, I've never seen an AR in Starbuck's so could not have seen someone "handling" one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Does anyone have specific knowledge of these alleged events or are there some amongst us that are assuming too much?
    Do you mean like the photos posted all over OCDO?

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    Please somebody post info from SB that they requested ALL guns not be brought into the business because of long guns. Seems they could have saved a lot of grief by just banning shotguns and rifles if that was the reason.

    I get so tired of people making assumptions, and outright LYING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chowda View Post
    Ya know, as a business owner, if I had a bunch of buffoons carrying in loaded rifles and shotguns into my place of business, I'd put a "no clowns allowed" sign on my front door too.
    If you did put up such a sign, then how would you get into the building? You would be banning yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Please somebody post info from SB that they requested ALL guns not be brought into the business because of long guns. Seems they could have saved a lot of grief by just banning shotguns and rifles if that was the reason.

    I get so tired of people making assumptions, and outright LYING.
    See my reply in the other thread. I don't care about your conclusion. Most folks would look at what happened and similarly conclude that it was the foolishness including AR carry (along with handling them and photographing this insanity) and SB appreciation days, not unadorned OC to which SB reacted.

    As in the other thread, I won't bother responding to you in this thread on our respective conclusions regarding why SB did this. Rational folks will draw their own conclusions. I firmly believe they will draw a similar reasonable conclusion as I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    See my reply in the other thread. I don't care about your conclusion. Most folks would look at what happened and similarly conclude that it was the foolishness including AR carry (along with handling them and photographing this insanity) and SB appreciation days, not unadorned OC to which SB reacted.

    As in the other thread, I won't bother responding to you in this thread on our respective conclusions regarding why SB did this. Rational folks will draw their own conclusions. I firmly believe they will draw a similar reasonable conclusion as I have.

    Moving on to something else.


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    You are spreading lies, we normally have a name for people who spread lies. Show proof that long guns or appreciation days was responsible for SB's decision.
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    When did stating one's own opinion of how or why something happened, and how they reached said conclusion, become lying? I keep seeing WalkingWolf asking Eye95 to provide cites for his OPINION, but never providing any for HIS. Petty argument for petty argument's sake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJack View Post
    When did stating one's own opinion of how or why something happened, and how they reached said conclusion, become lying? I keep seeing WalkingWolf asking Eye95 to provide cites for his OPINION, but never providing any for HIS. Petty argument for petty argument's sake?
    He did NOT post an opinion, or he would have added that, he in fact claimed his opinions was fact. That is lying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    So what did cause it? Folks with properly holstered handguns going in, ordering a cup, enjoying it, and leaving?

    Or folks going in with an AR, handling the damned thing, and taking pictures? Or folks portraying SB as "pro-gun" and scheduling SB appreciation events?

    I believe it was the latter two. Buffoonery.
    When one states their "belief" in something, that is opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJack View Post
    When did stating one's own opinion of how or why something happened, and how they reached said conclusion, become lying? I keep seeing WalkingWolf asking Eye95 to provide cites for his OPINION, but never providing any for HIS. Petty argument for petty argument's sake?
    Keen observation. I am just letting it slide because almost all rational folks will see his post exactly the way you do.

    So, to that post, all I have to say is, "meh."


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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJack View Post
    When one states their "belief" in something, that is opinion.
    It is a conclusion based on the facts. Such conclusions, not able to be proved, are necessarily opinions. I have clearly stated that it is a conclusion. However a certain poster is just ignoring that.

    A lot of the stuff he posts has value--which is why I took him off ignore. Every once in a while he posts this kind of crap--which is why he had been on ignore.

    Anyway, you have thoroughly dismantled his accusation of "lying," and that is all that matters.

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    Posted my coffee shop in East Texas as Second Amendment friendly!

    Wednesday evening I posted a sign stating that my coffee shop in Mineola, TX is Second Amendment Friendly. It seems to have caused a stir which is suprisingly supportive for the most part. The following link is to ONE of the interviews I did with one of the for media outlets who covered the story.
    http://www.cbs19.tv/story/23481499/g...offeeand-a-gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi Riddle View Post
    Wednesday evening I posted a sign stating that my coffee shop in Mineola, TX is Second Amendment Friendly. It seems to have caused a stir which is suprisingly supportive for the most part. The following link is to ONE of the interviews I did with one of the for media outlets who covered the story.
    http://www.cbs19.tv/story/23481499/g...offeeand-a-gun
    I will make it a point to stop by later this year; I am in Texas twice a year.
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    "I believe that once a person is licensed to carry a weapon there should be no constraints.
    The licensing and concealment required in not-so-gun-friendly Texas makes it seem normal, especially when required to hide. Would you be OC friendly, even when a license is not required? I'm not putting you on the spot, so you don't have to answer, I just want you to think about it.

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    Absolutely

    I feel that it is more important for any gun owner to be a RESPONSIBLE gun owner. Licensing is a regulation, not a guarentee that the person is responsible or respects the impact use of a firearm can have on their lives or the lives of others.
    As for Texas becoming an Open Carry state, my personal opinion is that when you force law abiding citizens to jump through hoops in order for them to responsibly carry their firearm and stand ready to defend and protect themselves, I feel this gives those who do harm the upper hand and it leaves too many law abiding citizens at risk. So yes, I will continue my stance when Open Carry becomes legal in Texas and will welcome all RESPONSIBLE gun owners and ther gun in my coffee shop. Until then, Lawful Carry and Long Guns are welcome when carried by responsible owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi Riddle View Post
    I feel that it is more important for any gun owner to be a RESPONSIBLE gun owner. Licensing is a regulation, not a guarentee that the person is responsible or respects the impact use of a firearm can have on their lives or the lives of others.
    As for Texas becoming an Open Carry state, my personal opinion is that when you force law abiding citizens to jump through hoops in order for them to responsibly carry their firearm and stand ready to defend and protect themselves, I feel this gives those who do harm the upper hand and it leaves too many law abiding citizens at risk. So yes, I will continue my stance when Open Carry becomes legal in Texas and will welcome all RESPONSIBLE gun owners and ther gun in my coffee shop. Until then, Lawful Carry and Long Guns are welcome when carried by responsible owners.
    Very well said.

    Look forward to the day when Texas embraces open carry - will be in Houston later this week and do not look forward to having to go through the rigors of concealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi Riddle View Post
    ...I will continue my stance when Open Carry becomes legal in Texas ....
    I like the way you think!
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    They don't seem so unfriendly to me. They've actually made a big PR statement that they WILL SERVE and WILL NOT trespass open carriers. Then again, I disect things a little more than most.

    Here's a great discussion/response to Starbucks "new policy" (not ban).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6B0Sh-yLNA
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    "Restrictions are not infringements. Bans are infringements.--if it reaches beyond Reasonable bans". (Post # 103)
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    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ons-Bill/page5

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