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    Time to re-think those coffee meets...Starbucks apparently caves...


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    Time to re-think those coffee meets...Starbucks apparently caves...

    I wonder if they ever will enforce this? They're really just trying to keep both pro and antis as customers by making antis think that they got their way while making it clear to us that we can stay as we are because they refuse to enforce it. Talk about playing Switzerland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    I wonder if they ever will enforce this?.
    Did you read the letter? It seems that they won't enforce a ban on LAC, but why spend your money where YOU aren't wanted. Get an attorney's opinion on the legal effect of the letter.
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    Refusing to enforce it means that they won't be asking customers to leave.

    In this state you cannot be trespassed if they do not ask you to leave and especially not if they are entering into a business relationship with you, a.k.a., taking your money and serving you as the directive suggests.

    So looks like Keep Calm and Carry On in Starbucks. If they see us stop carrying then they'll think they've won. We need to keep carrying as usual and this will probably blow over and go away if we stand our ground.

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    I don't buy or drink over priced burnt tasting coffee that can't be ordered by common sizes (small, large) or served by the snooty baristas.

    I haven't been in a SB in probably 15 years (once was more than enough) but I do walk past a kiosk SB at the entrance of the grocery store we frequent.

    No rethink required on my part.

    But it is a shame that they have caved to the libtard crybabies that soil themselves at the sight of an armed citizen.

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    I hate to say I Told You So, but I told you so.

    We should never have co-opted their logo or portrayed them as pro-gun. They asked us not to do this, but we ignored their request.

    We should have been very circumspect.

    Nice going.

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    I agree that we pissed them off by doing what they asked us not to do. If we just carried there normally without purposely using their brand to promote our cause, we'd still be welcome.

    Even though they are not going to "enforce it," I must now stop going there, and I am irritated at all who turned them against us.

    Note, it was not the carrying in their store that turned them against us. It was the purposely using their stores as political arenas that did it.

    If all you did was carry there during the course of your daily grind (ha ha), like me, I am not irritated at you. But if you purposely used Starbucks as a political arena, hopefully you'll understand what the difference is.

    If I had a store like that, I'd be very pro-carry and very leave-me-out-of-it, too.
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    Uh, what is that website? Has this letter been confirmed through a legitimate website, or are we all just getting ourselves into a froth over nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    Uh, what is that website? Has this letter been confirmed through a legitimate website, or are we all just getting ourselves into a froth over nothing?
    Call or email them, they will confirm it for you. I could tell you I've done it but you'd likely question that as well, right?
    It's not like you know me.
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    Yeah, I hate their coffee anyway. Let's meet up at Safeway, $1.00 for any size drink.

    My response to their corporation:
    You won't go broke losing my business, since I didn't really like your coffee in the first place. The only reason I drank your coffee was your stance on the 2nd Amendment. Now you have lost my few measly dollars with your new stance. I thank you on behalf of my wallet, and my stomach. I can brew a crappy cup of coffee in my kitchen for pennies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    Uh, what is that website? Has this letter been confirmed through a legitimate website, or are we all just getting ourselves into a froth over nothing?
    found it here as well
    http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gears...uns-in-stores/

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    me too

    Alas I too must now boycott Starbucks. Sure gonna miss the mocha cookie crumble, but this is a necessary decision! !!!

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    nothing on the Onion, nothing on Starbucks site,

    However ABC just picked up the story.....

    me thinks pics like this did NOT help our cause.......


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    Well, this is going to be interesting.

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    Really, who didn't see this coming?

    After the last round of unwanted publicity, the great 2A Starbucks gathering, the handwriting was on the wall. SB has said time and time again they did not want to be involved, yet 2A groups kept putting them up front as a supporter of the 2A. Actually, they were more of the live and let live, within the laws of your state kind of people.

    I am not at all surprised at this, and won't be surprised when in the future they will ban firearms all together. Because, you know, now they will be subjected to pressure, ridicule, and an unrelenting grass roots campaign by 2A supporters who don't understand the concept that Starbucks is a privately owned corporation and can do whatever they want on their properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    I hate to say I Told You So, but I told you so.

    We should never have co-opted their logo or portrayed them as pro-gun. They asked us not to do this, but we ignored their request.

    We should have been very circumspect.

    Nice going.
    well I didn't ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    I hate to say I Told You So, but I told you so.

    We should never have co-opted their logo or portrayed them as pro-gun. They asked us not to do this, but we ignored their request.

    We should have been very circumspect.

    Nice going.
    Exactly right.

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    Well, if anyone lives around the Orchards area, Coffee Villa on 4th Plain is Open Carry-friendly and proud of it.

    Screw Starbucks if they are taking this stance. Head over to Coffee Villa and a give gun-friendly coffee shop your business.

    They deserve it for taking a stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDXGuy View Post

    Screw Starbucks if they are taking this stance..
    Amen !

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    So I wonder. Some businesses will be posting no guns allowed signs. So are the signs our warning and if we enter can at that time be trespassed? What authority will law enforcement have on private property if there is a sign and a customer makes a call, not an agent of the store?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    So I wonder. Some businesses will be posting no guns allowed signs. So are the signs our warning and if we enter can at that time be trespassed? What authority will law enforcement have on private property if there is a sign and a customer makes a call, not an agent of the store?
    Starbucks says guns are no longer welcome in its cafes, though it is stopping short of an outright ban on firearms. The fine line that the retailer is walking to address the concerns of both gun rights and gun control advocates reflects how heated the issue has become, particularly in light of recent mass shootings. [ ... ]

    "We will not ask you to leave," he said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireS...anned-20288279

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...647_story.html

    $tarbuck$ legal case for a charge of trespass is much diminished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Starbucks says guns are no longer welcome in its cafes, though it is stopping short of an outright ban on firearms. The fine line that the retailer is walking to address the concerns of both gun rights and gun control advocates reflects how heated the issue has become, particularly in light of recent mass shootings. [ ... ]

    "We will not ask you to leave," he said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireS...anned-20288279

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...647_story.html

    $tarbuck$ legal case for a charge of trespass is much diminished.
    What they write in their policies that are kept in a drawer is irrelevant. We'll see.

    Of course, cops are OK to carry. Why? They say weapons are not welcome. Commies in my book - different rules for different citizens.

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    I saw it as a long time coming.....

    For the same reasons dean posted... It also didn't help that the handful of monthly open carry meetups between responsible OCers became overshadowed by "Starbucks apreciation" days and various pictures of people putting guns on the tables or carrying rifles into the stores. Does this mean ill stop doing business with Starbucks..... Maybe, maybe not.

    I am willing to spend money at locations that are
    A) run by pro gun or neutral franchisees. Or

    B) kiosks at grocery stores. The Starbucks locations inside grocery stores are owned by the store and staffed with union grocery employees, the store Only pays SBUX a fixed license fee.
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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