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    well i just joined military and when i get off base i live in a bad area i know 4 other miltary that been robbed i was wondering does anyone know if you can open carry i am waiting to get my cc soon just till then

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    Quote Originally Posted by csanderlin View Post
    well i just joined military and when i get off base i live in a bad area i know 4 other miltary that been robbed i was wondering does anyone know if you can open carry i am waiting to get my cc soon just till then
    Are you Active, Guard, Reserve?
    Unless your command has specifically prohibited open carry then it is not a problem. Anything prohibited by your unit/branch will be posted in a common area within your unit footprint. They may also issue a handbook.
    Source: I'm a prior service 11B SGT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    Are you Active, Guard, Reserve?
    Unless your command has specifically prohibited open carry then it is not a problem. Anything prohibited by your unit/branch will be posted in a common area within your unit footprint. They may also issue a handbook.
    Source: I'm a prior service 11B SGT.
    Did congress pass a law to eliminate The ability of commanders to limit soldiers gun rights off base..?
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    I imagine the biggest issue is having a sidearm if your trip includes going to or coming from base. You are supposed to be defenseless when stationed "safely" at home, don't you know?
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    NC law allows you to OC if you are 18 yo and not otherwise restricted.

    http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbys...gunlaws_nc.htm

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...14-409.40.html
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    Where are you stationed? For example here in WA, yes you can OC/CC (over 21 with CPL) while on active duty, but not in uniform. Also you can't take a gun on base, except to go to and from the MWR range to shoot. Ammo and gun in separate locations/cases, with no stopping at the PX or anywhere else. Also to bring it on post it must be registered with the Provost Marshal, and if you stay in the barracks you will have to store it in the arms room. Also again anything I say refers to my knowledge of military, and WA laws. Here in WA you can CC without a CPL while traveling to or from an outdoor activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Did congress pass a law to eliminate The ability of commanders to limit soldiers gun rights off base..?
    I don't understand what you're asking. Soldiers do not have rights, only privileges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    I don't understand what you're asking. Soldiers do not have rights, only privileges.
    Part of Public Law 111-383 was that military commanders couldn't restrict off base guns.

    Here's something I found on army.mil about it.

    https://safety.army.mil/LinkClick.as...Q%3D&tabid=651
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    Our military is the ultimate in socialistic societies.

    I don't like socialism myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    I don't understand what you're asking. Soldiers do not have rights, only privileges.
    Soldiers (airmen, marines, and sailors, for that matter) still have all their rights. They have just contractually agreed to subordinate those rights for a period of time in return for consideration. Folks do that all the time. It is called a "contract."

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    Step One. Go see your First Sergeant.

    Step Two. Have you request ready in your mind. Be clear, with good argument.
    Remember, you are requesting to protect government property. If he does not know off hand, he will find out and give you guidance.
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    MSG, let's not jump the chain of command. Team Chief/Section Sergeant first. OP really needs to get back, and post where he is stationed. Unless there is a base/unit reg that prohibits it, he should not even have to ask for permission. I never did.
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    It's crazy how restricted our rights can be even though we swear and oath to a Consitution that we are pretty much exempt of until we are no longer serving in uniform while those in office blatantly disregard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Soldiers (airmen, marines, and sailors, for that matter) still have all their rights. They have just contractually agreed to subordinate those rights for a period of time in return for consideration. Folks do that all the time. It is called a "contract."
    Except when they're conscripted. Then it's called "aggression".

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    except when they're conscripted. Then it's called "aggression".
    qft
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Except when they're conscripted. Then it's called "aggression".
    And lessons learned, hopefully.
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    Dead topic since the OP did a drive by, never to return.
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    I know here in NC there is nothing that limits us Marines carrying openly. I have had a couple of Senior SNCO's and Officers approach me about it asking if it was legal and I would tell them it is legal and there is no Marine Corps order against it.

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    I carry all the time and the only reactions I get from anyone in my unit is surprise that it's legal.

    Wish I could carry on base, hate working in a GFZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Step One. Go see your First Sergeant.

    Step Two. Have you request ready in your mind. Be clear, with good argument.
    Remember, you are requesting to protect government property. If he does not know off hand, he will find out and give you guidance.
    Best advice I've seen on this yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Our military is the ultimate in socialistic societies.
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...d-by-obama.htm

    I think you're getting ahead of where Obama has already been going.
    Article states he's purging all generals that don't see the military as a Social Laboratory.
    I think he's changing it to be like the Europeans, as opposed to the tip of the Spear.
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    There is nothing wrong with entering into a socialistic arrangement voluntarily. It's called a contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    There is nothing wrong with entering into a socialistic arrangement voluntarily. It's called a contract.
    contracts still must comply to applicable laws, and it's very different when the government is the contracting party versus a private entity.

    currently federal law prohibits the department of defense from enacting or enforcing any order involving off base firearms possession....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    contracts still must comply to applicable laws, and it's very different when the government is the contracting party versus a private entity.
    Excellent point. I could see the justification for preventing all sorts of contractual arrangements with government that might be allowed otherwise.

    Guns are a great example… I can't see limiting the right of private employers to require their employees to be unarmed. The government, however, has no rights, so it clearly can't have a right to require anything at all of its employees. With no right to appeal to, there is left only reason, and I can see no reason to allow the government to disarm its soldiers off-base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    contracts still must comply to applicable laws, and it's very different when the government is the contracting party versus a private entity.

    currently federal law prohibits the department of defense from enacting or enforcing any order involving off base firearms possession....
    Actually, that is an example of the government promising not to do something, not really being prohibited from doing it. Tomorrow, the government could unilaterally repeal that law, immediately followed by commanders, another arm of that same government, barring carry by its members.

    The only legal way to enjoin the federal government is via the Constitution (which one might argue already enjoins the government from telling soldiers that they cannot carry "off-duty"). Laws the government passes prohibiting itself from taking a particular action are kinda silly.


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