Walmart bans all guns ?

casper · Sep 24, 2013

I was at the Holland Wal-mart and asked about open carry in the store. The manager said anyone with a gun, CPL or not will be escorted out of the store to their car to watch them lock it in the trunk, before they can go back in. I will never go there again.

Ezerharden · Sep 24, 2013

I suggest you call the Corporate headquarters (1-800-walmart)and report the manager. Walmart policy is to follow state laws.

casper · Sep 24, 2013

Yup, I know. It just shows the ignorance of the sheeple here. A tough guy manager with a God complex.

casper · Sep 24, 2013

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SpringerXDacp · Sep 24, 2013

EMNofSeattle said:
Do not ask! never ask!

just OC!

what the heck, do you ask the manager if you can wear your rain jacket to the store too?

Under Michigan law (MCL 750.234d), possession of firearms are prohibited on the premises of establishments licensed to sell alcohol. However, there is a provision under this law which exempts LEO's, CPL holders, and folks with permission from the owner or agents of the owner.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(oe...g.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-234d

EMNofSeattle · Sep 24, 2013

SpringerXDacp said:
Under Michigan law (MCL 750.234d), possession of firearms are prohibited on the premises of establishments licensed to sell alcohol. However, there is a provision under this law which exempts LEO's, CPL holders, and folks with permission from the owner or agents of the owner.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(oe...g.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-234d

Ah, ok.

Well that's a stupid law.....

Then I apologize, I like to be strong on the concept of dont ask for permission to do what's legal to make a point, but looking at the law secution I see it now,

I apologize and deleted the post

7om5hipp · Sep 24, 2013

I noticed that it said you can carry with permission from the owners. Since Walmart says that it follows the laws of the city and States wouldn't that mean you have permission to carry? Just my two cents.

SpringerXDacp · Sep 24, 2013

7om5hipp said:
I noticed that it said you can carry with permission from the owners. Since Walmart says that it follows the laws of the city and States wouldn't that mean you have permission to carry? Just my two cents.

The implied consent, in this regard, is not that cut and dried, IMO. Personally, If I were a non-CPL holder I wouldn't chance 90 days in jail and/or a $100 fine for violation of that section.

Raggs · Sep 24, 2013

I have been to this Walmart OCing, should visit again.

Raggs · Sep 24, 2013

SpringerXDacp said:
Under Michigan law (MCL 750.234d), possession of firearms are prohibited on the premises of establishments licensed to sell alcohol. However, there is a provision under this law which exempts LEO's, CPL holders, and folks with permission from the owner or agents of the owner.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(oe...g.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-234d

I doubt any Walmart manager would allow someone without a CPL to carry in the store unless it was a personal friend.

Hevymetal · Sep 24, 2013

I shop 2-3 times a week at Walmart here in Clinton Township. Most always OCing and have never really had a problem from management.

WalkingWolf · Sep 24, 2013

Well-ll-ll I was in Sanford Walmart for almost two hours today OCing, not one word was said, or even a eye batted. Apparently it is not company wide.

xmanhockey7 · Sep 25, 2013

I've definitely found that asking can lead to being told things that aren't true. Bob Evans in Big Rapids told me we couldn't hold an OC lunch their because they had a "no weapons" policy. Well actually they said we could have the lunch, but we'd need to keep the guns in our cars (I LOL'd). However, we have had at least two people that I'm aware of (probably more) open carry there without issue.

22Luke36 · Sep 25, 2013

SpringerXDacp said:
Under Michigan law (MCL 750.234d), possession of firearms are prohibited on the premises of establishments licensed to sell alcohol. However, there is a provision under this law which exempts LEO's, CPL holders, and folks with permission from the owner or agents of the owner.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(oe...g.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-234d

Never, ever ask.

What are most people going to think or say upon answering the call or servicing you at the front desk? They might not even know they can ask you to leave, but by your asking, one could infer that they now have that option. They aren't going to be the one to start a "Starbucks thing" at their work. They are probably going to be thinking about liability, that they themselves might be sued. They will usually invent some policy or law on the spot. They might even make a diagnosis of your mental state for you at no cost. Any of these, or a hundred other thoughts will come to mind. Even gun stores have been known to ban open carry.

What they are not thinking, is helping you with your open carry activism.

WARCHILD · Sep 25, 2013

This subject comes up often and has changed over the last couple of years. Some people have issues in the stores, others do not.
Just about two years ago, I contacted Walmart corporate and received two separate emails. Unfortunately I don't have the emails anymore. Lost some data transfer to the new computer.
The first from the eastern district manager and the second from the legal office. Both said the same basic thing so I am assuming this was the result of a board discussion on the issue of OC.

The following is a paraphrase content of the two emails:
"With the increasing requests of Walmart's policy concerning firearms in our stores we have stated repeatedly that we follow state law within the state the store in question is located.
We have also found that the reaction to such presence of firearms seems to be mostly due to acceptance by demographic location.
Therefore we have decided to leave it up to the store managers discretion whether to allow firearms in their store or not, according to the state laws."

xmanhockey7 · Sep 25, 2013

22Luke36 said:
Never, ever ask.

What are most people going to think or say upon answering the call or servicing you at the front desk? They might not even know they can ask you to leave, but by your asking, one could infer that they now have that option. They aren't going to be the one to start a "Starbucks thing" at their work. They are probably going to be thinking about liability, that they themselves might be sued. They will usually invent some policy or law on the spot. They might even make a diagnosis of your mental state for you at no cost. Any of these, or a hundred other thoughts will come to mind. Even gun stores have been known to ban open carry.

What they are not thinking, is helping you with your open carry activism.

He's simply stating the law. If you do not have a CPL and wish to carry in say a grocery store with a liquor license you need to get permission. I'm told Yancer does this for places he wishes to carry in, but can't because of the law that was mentioned above. The hypotheticals are simply that, hypotheticals. There are plenty of things that could happen if you ask permission, but heck there are plenty of things that could happen if you open carry. You could be shot for your gun, have someone try to take it away, have the police called, scare innocent children, etc. I agree that one should not ask if they can legally carry somewhere, but if the law requires permission then they definitely should get it if they wish to carry there.

22Luke36 · Sep 25, 2013

I agree completely.

I just see getting more "NO's" that "Yes's" by asking. It's going to come down to who is asking, who is asked, and how it's asked.

Evil Creamsicle · Sep 25, 2013

22Luke36 said:
I just see getting more "NO's" that "Yes's" by asking. It's going to come down to who is asking, who is asked, and how it's asked.

True, but if you ask, and get 95% "no"'s, you can carry in 5% of those locations
If you don't ask, you can't get permission, and therefore you can carry in 0% of those locations.

Obviously I'm only referring to those locations that are subject to the above cited law where permission is required. I have never, to the best of my memory, asked anyone for permission, but I can understand why a person would in this case.

Glock214 · Sep 25, 2013

I just open carried at this exact location early this morning, not even a single look. I even asked for help locating an item and the associate was very helpful. I was dressed up in a suit though. But have carried there in jeans and a shirt before.

marshaul · Sep 25, 2013

Raggs said:
I doubt any Walmart manager would allow someone without a CPL to carry in the store unless it was a personal friend.

They do it in Virginia every day.

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