Walmart bans all guns ?

EMNofSeattle · Sep 25, 2013

marshaul said:
They do it in Virginia every day.

well in Michigan you need specific permission to carry in a liqour licensed establishment unless you have a CPL, then you may carry openly in such a place without specific permission. apparently the grocery store qualfiies as a "liqour licensed establishment" because they sell beer/wine

so what he means is, will a manager give that specific permission to someone to carry in the store without a license....? probably not. having to approve something is much different then simply allowing it to happen.

Evil Creamsicle · Sep 25, 2013

EMNofSeattle said:
well in Michigan you need specific permission to carry in a liqour licensed establishment unless you have a CPL, then you may carry openly in such a place without specific permission. apparently the grocery store qualfiies as a "liqour licensed establishment" because they sell beer/wine

so what he means is, will a manager give that specific permission to someone to carry in the store without a license....? probably not. having to approve something is much different then simply allowing it to happen.

I think he was just teasing us Michiganders.

Golden Eagle · Sep 25, 2013

750.234d
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(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
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(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
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(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

Or casper get a license from another state (if you think you have a good lawyer) and you don't need to ask.

FreeInAZ · Sep 25, 2013

MI law does NOT recognize non-resident permit issued by other states. He could get an AZ permit in the mail. Still wouldn't do him any good in MI. Only he can fight this - it's his choice. The good news is: he can still open carry in a lot of places, so he's not completely screwed. His Gun Board seems to be sticking to their guns (pun intended) so they must think they have some reason that will stand up to review by the courts, or their just dicks and don't care if they have to pay (with our tax dollars) for wrongfully denying him.

Golden Eagle · Sep 25, 2013

FreeInAZ said:
MI law does NOT recognize non-resident permit issued by other states. He could get an AZ permit in the mail. Still wouldn't do him any good in MI. Only he can fight this - it's his choice. The good news is: he can still open carry in a lot of places, so he's not completely screwed. His Gun Board seems to be sticking to their guns (pun intended) so they must think they have some reason that will stand up to review by the courts, or their just dicks and don't care if they have to pay (with our tax dollars) for wrongfully denying him.

Understood but we have argued in the past that an out of state license could be used to OC in places like wallmart.
I'm not seriously suggesting it but it might be good fallback if he accidentally goes to a place with a liquor license.

casper · Sep 25, 2013

I have not reapplied or appealed since getting denied Aug 2 2012.

22Luke36 · Sep 26, 2013

FreeInAZ said:
MI law does NOT recognize non-resident permit issued by other states. He could get an AZ permit in the mail. Still wouldn't do him any good in MI. Only he can fight this - it's his choice. The good news is: he can still open carry in a lot of places, so he's not completely screwed. His Gun Board seems to be sticking to their guns (pun intended) so they must think they have some reason that will stand up to review by the courts, or their just dicks and don't care if they have to pay (with our tax dollars) for wrongfully denying him.

Does 750.234d not say as follows : (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

Would that not allow an out of stater to carry lawfully? If not, why not?

FreeInAZ · Sep 26, 2013

22Luke36 said:
Does 750.234d not say as follows : (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

Would that not allow an out of stater to carry lawfully? If not, why not?

Well sure it should, however MI LEA's / DA's may not agree. This subject has been raised here many times over the last few years, and the MI lawyers who participate and other very knowledgable OCers seem to agree a non-resident permit from another state held by a MI resident who does not also hold a valid MI permit will lead to legal troubles. Honestly do you really think the powers in charge of the permission slip program in MI would let their racket be side-stepped so easily? We are talking about a multi-million dollar revenue stream for them.

xmanhockey7 · Sep 26, 2013

22Luke36 said:
Does 750.234d not say as follows : (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

Would that not allow an out of stater to carry lawfully? If not, why not?

An out of stater, yes. Michigan resident with no Michigan CPL and a non-resident from say Florida is serious gray area. I had a non-resident permit 2 years before I turned 21. Never used it to carry in places listed under 750.234d., but did like the fact if I somehow made a mistake I had some legal defense.

22Luke36 · Sep 26, 2013

FreeInAZ said:
Well sure it should, however MI LEA's / DA's may not agree. This subject has been raised here many times over the last few years, and the MI lawyers who participate and other very knowledgable OCers seem to agree a non-resident permit from another state held by a MI resident who does not also hold a valid MI permit will lead to legal troubles. Honestly do you really think the powers in charge of the permission slip program in MI would let their racket be side-stepped so easily? We are talking about a multi-million dollar revenue stream for them.

Where is the "Like" button?

Golden Eagle · Sep 26, 2013

22Luke36 said:
Does 750.234d not say as follows : (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

Would that not allow an out of stater to carry lawfully? If not, why not?

To open carry lawfully, yes. 750.234d is not about concealed carry.

28.432a is about CC and says " (h) A resident of another state who is licensed by that state to carry a concealed pistol."

Big Gay Al · Mar 2, 2014

I never ask. I just carry. However, I do have a CPL so I am not affected by the presence of alcohol in most places.

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Raggs · Mar 2, 2014

Big Gay Al said:
I never ask. I just carry. However, I do have a CPL so I am not affected by the presence of alcohol in most places.

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Necro post much

Good to see you BGA

Big Gay Al · Mar 2, 2014

Raggs said:
Necro post much

Good to see you BGA

Not too much.

Damn tapatalk doesn't show everything.

FreeInAZ · Mar 2, 2014

Raggs said:
Necro post much

Good to see you BGA

Well in his defense - he did just limbo under the 6 month mark....

Grapeshot · Mar 3, 2014

Moderator privilege don't you know.

From the Moderator's Manual (revised edition 2013):

Chapter VII, sub-heading (d) = Moderators can drop their choice words of wisdom anywhere and it does keep the ball rolling :lol:

Consider too that he did sum up the thread succinctly with, "I never ask. I just carry."

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