Hospitals are gun free zones?

Carried yesterday at the Woodbridge Sentara with no problems. Had to remove my shoes and take off my sidearm (with pancake holster) to be weighed and no one ran around frantically...

And yes, Ed, I had my recorder going all day!!!

MamabearCali said:

If you don't want a person to carry on your property have to inform them. Like I said....no signs....I carry on. I don't ask walmarts permission or krogers permission to carry a gun. Permission may be denied to carry, but a private property has to notify a person reasonably of their demands. A person telling me on a blog that he has escorted people out is not notification, it is hear say.

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Uh...Taz is one of us, not the enemy. He just gave his personal experience of what the Hospital did.

This isn't a blog BTW.

If you say so....he specifically said my husband carried without permission and all I have stated repeatedly that there are no signs that said so.

One person telling me his experience on a forum is not the same thing as a sign on a door. It is one persons word/experience against another's (which was the simple definition of hear say I was taught). IANAL, so whatever.


Perhaps it is the political climate, but you guys are really amped up. Y'all took offense where there was no offense intended.

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Perhaps it is the political climate, but you guys are really amped up. Y'all took offense where there was no offense intended.

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No offense taken, I was just clearing the air.

Not directed at any particular user/poster here - just kind of a consolidation of collective thinking on the matter.

We share information and experiences with the desired goal of informing others where carrying a gun has been found to be not a problem and where there have been less than satisfactory situations.

VCDL maintains a Gun Owner Unfriendly Business list.
http://www.vcdl.org/gue-intro

There is also a Pro and Anti Gun Business Database available.
http://friendorfoe.us/

Simply sharing "it happened to me" tales gets the word out. When the situation is negative, following through with upper management has been shown in many cases to be beneficial in turning the business around.

There is a general attitude amongst members here that if our legally carried, defensive handgun is not acceptable, then neither we nor our money will go there. This has been reduced to "No Guns = No Money".

One of my former favorite breakfast places no longer allows OC - I could CC there as they are tolerant of that, but in the interest of solidarity and standing together as one. I won't compromise my personal standards to that degree.

Still, no one is going to excommunicate you from the church or not let you sing in the choir if you don't follow the preachings percisely.....though someone might shake their finger at you if you are too flaggerant about it

We have had this discussion before. Any hospital worth their salt should be accreditation by the Joint Counsel of Hospital Accreditation. (JCOHA) http://www.jointcommission.org/ Also known as The Joint Commission. They write standards for how hospitals operate. One of those standards is no firearms, primarily because of work place violence.

Find the previous threads and you will this pops up every six months or so. BSHSI (Bon Secours) does have a written policy it is not posted. If you OC the worse that could happen is they will ask you to leave. One case the police assisted, asked the person to unload and zipped tied the firearm and then leave the hospital to secure firearm elsewhere.

kenny said:

We have had this discussion before. Any hospital worth their salt should be accreditation by the Joint Counsel of Hospital Accreditation. (JCOHA) http://www.jointcommission.org/ Also known as The Joint Commission. They write standards for how hospitals operate. One of those standards is no firearms, primarily because of work place violence.

Find the previous threads and you will this pops up every six months or so. BSHSI (Bon Secours) does have a written policy it is not posted. If you OC the worse that could happen is they will ask you to leave. One case the police assisted, asked the person to unload and zipped tied the firearm and then leave the hospital to secure firearm elsewhere.

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They can "ask" me to unload all they want to and I'm not going to agree to zip tying - not going to happen,

I will leave when told and secure the gun elsewhere if I need to come back inside, but these extra legal requests are just dumb and potentially dangerous.

If hospitals are gun free zones then why do they allow people in with bullets?

Grapeshot said:

They can "ask" me to unload all they want to and I'm not going to agree to zip tying - not going to happen,

I will leave when told and secure the gun elsewhere if I need to come back inside, but these extra legal requests are just dumb and potentially dangerous.

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I mentioned nothing about the zip tying being a legal request. It just happened.

Grapeshot said:

They can "ask" me to unload all they want to and I'm not going to agree to zip tying - not going to happen,

I will leave when told and secure the gun elsewhere if I need to come back inside, but these extra legal requests are just dumb and potentially dangerous.

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kenny said:

I mentioned nothing about the zip tying being a legal request. It just happened.

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"Extra legal" (more properly, "extralegal") means outside of the bounds of the law.

FYI

The only time I have been shot by someone trying to kill me in the US (I don't count my tours in Iraq and Afghanistan) was while working in a hospital (gun free zone) while on a military base (gun free zone). So I was in a GFZ that was in a GFZ and only 36 people were killed or injured. I'm just lucky I was so focused I didn't know I was being shot at when it was happening. To this day I don't know how I didn't get hit with as many bullets that went past me that day. I can defiantly say I DON'T feel safer in a GFZ, I feel like a fish in a barrel.

kenny said:

We have had this discussion before. Any hospital worth their salt should be accreditation by the Joint Counsel of Hospital Accreditation. (JCOHA) http://www.jointcommission.org/ Also known as The Joint Commission. They write standards for how hospitals operate. One of those standards is no firearms, primarily because of work place violence.

Find the previous threads and you will this pops up every six months or so. BSHSI (Bon Secours) does have a written policy it is not posted. If you OC the worse that could happen is they will ask you to leave. One case the police assisted, asked the person to unload and zipped tied the firearm and then leave the hospital to secure firearm elsewhere.

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MANY places of employment have stricter rules (especially in Virginia) for Employees than for patrons/customers. My part time job doesn't allow us to carry any weapons but places no restrictions on our customers. So the above statement doesn't convince me that the "standard" applies to all. If they want me to respect it, they need to post it or let me know somehow. Unlike a restaurant or other place of business we can not easily vote with our wallets on whether we will patronize a hospital or not.

I have only been around for 10 months so I must have missed the earlier conversations but my question was promted by a statement made in a recent thread. I just was looking for the facts. Thanks to those who were willing to provide answers again, even though the subject has been previously discussed.

I will leave if asked but agree with not having my weapon handled, loaded/unloaded or zip tied.