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    I'm surprised by the swiftness and magnitude of the police department's response. I also want to know what driver's ed class teaches people to get out of their car, because whoever instructs it should be fired as well.

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    don't blame the cop one bit

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    Re: cop shoots at man for trying to hand over his drivers license

    When people get pulled over, many get nervious. The citizen pulled a bone head move no doubt. However- if you're a peace officer you have to have some common sense. The officer had the radio in his car (talk show turned up very loud). This may of made his commands confusing to the driver, maybe even obscurring them completety. I speculate this stupid officer assumed the stop would go like this: I pull over driver with radio loud enough so I don't miss my show. Walk up - grab license, proof of insurance, registration then stroll back to cruiser continue to sip coffe, munch on donut, tweet about stuff to his buddies, take sweet time 15-20+ minutes writing ticket while listening to his talk show. Sweet.

    He got surprised - his reaction - shoot first - think later....

    In every job there are nit wits. Luckily this EX officer didn't kill the driver for disobeying a traffic signal.
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    Re: cop shoots at man for trying to hand over his drivers license

    Quote Originally Posted by CDT COX View Post
    don't blame the cop one bit
    Really? Wow - let's say you're walking the dog/cat/alligator one evening (pre-dusk - have lots of light) a guy walking towards you puts his hand in his pocket. You draw and fire! Turns out he was getting his wallet that has a address in it he's trying to find. You think you're only going to get off with losing your job? Doubt it, most likely be charged with attempted murder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brace View Post
    I'm surprised by the swiftness and magnitude of the police department's response. I also want to know what driver's ed class teaches people to get out of their car, because whoever instructs it should be fired as well.
    Exiting and securing your vehicle prevents extra-legal sniff and peek searches. We have only the rights that we defend.
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    I see both at fault, granted the cop is at worse fault for firing without clear reason. The driver should never have gotten out of his truck and approached the officer; the officer is already nervous because he has pulled someone over and has no idea if the person is the type to attack. So when you see a person exit the vehicle and approach while reaching to your pocket he will react. Should he have fired, no. The most he should have done was draw his weapon and have the person stop. At least that is what I would have done, or rather like to think I would have done. What would you have done, there is the possibility that something could happen and you are suddenly faced with someone walking towards you with his or her hand going to their pants.

    As for the sniff and peek, why be worried if you are not doing anything illegal. That is my thought on the matter, so long as I have nothing to hide there is no reason for them to search my vehicle and if they do so without my consent my kids will have their college paid for.

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    Re: cop shoots at man for trying to hand over his drivers license

    @7o. Would you let a cop walk up and start fondling your wife's boobs? No? Why not? If she's not hiding stuff between them, why should you or her care?

    Point is - this is still the U.S.A. and citizen's should be free to go about their lives without worrying about illegal searches.
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    Only watched the video, did nor read any of the supporting information.

    But I'm going to say that the Cop had an ND and is trying to cover his incompetence by saying he intentionally fired at the driver.

    Am I right?




    BTW, good termination. I would not trust that officer on my department whether he is incompetent then lies about it or simply overreacts.

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    He's probably working as a thug cop on some small town force today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Exiting and securing your vehicle prevents extra-legal sniff and peek searches.
    Yup. This is, IMO, the real reason cops hate drivers getting out. (It's not like being a cop is actually half as dangerous a job as they pretend.)

    I've always been afraid the wrong cop would shoot you for trying this. Now we know.

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    Police in America today have taken the position that every single person is out to kill them and that police can shoot to kill when there is not a single indication of danger.

    Unfortunately prosecutors and judges and juries have permitted this.

    This cop should be fired and then sent to jail. He should also be charged with an additional misdemeanor for missing a stationary target at 10 feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    Police in America today have taken the position that every single person is out to kill them and that police can shoot to kill when there is not a single indication of danger.

    Unfortunately prosecutors and judges and juries have permitted this.

    This cop should be fired and then sent to jail. He should also be charged with an additional misdemeanor for missing a stationary target at 10 feet.
    That last bit made me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    Police in America today have taken the position that every single person is out to kill them and that police can shoot to kill when there is not a single indication of danger.

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    Gross over generalization.

    This thread has some indications of LEO bashing - we don't need to go there.
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    Similarly, Acevedo's decision to fire Boehm came a week after a the district attorney announced that a grand jury had declined to indict him.
    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e1_1...45aYzpeYaex.99


    And the DA should also be fired. What kind of idiot cannot get an indictment ?

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    Everyone knows if the grand jury doesn't indict, it's because the prosecutor doesn't want them to (i.e. he's only there to put on a show).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Gross over generalization.

    This thread has some indications of LEO bashing - we don't need to go there.
    Maybe soon we may have documented enough to make such a generalization appropriate?

    With this particular cop, it seems on the button and he is not under arrest; leading me to the conclusion that the PD in this instance seems not to mind the actions of this guy inappropriate.

    It it were you or me, we would be seeing a judge real soon for a bond hearing, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Exiting and securing your vehicle prevents extra-legal sniff and peek searches. We have only the rights that we defend.
    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Yup. This is, IMO, the real reason cops hate drivers getting out. (It's not like being a cop is actually half as dangerous a job as they pretend.) I've always been afraid the wrong cop would shoot you for trying this. Now we know. [ ]
    My local junior uniformed clown has threatened me with arrest for "violating a lawful order" for doing that. I have rummaged my state's statutes and county ordinances and what (nearby) SOPs I can find, but haven't found the clear authority for such a charge. And I don't expect to acquire standing to test the legality, as I haven't had a non-consensual conversation with a cop since my last speeding ticket in 1977.
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    I recommend looking again. Every jurisdiction I have looked for it, I have found a crime you would be committing if you fail to follow the lawful orders of a police officer who has lawfully detained you. It could be as obvious as "failure to follow a lawful order" or less obvious as "obstruction," but I'd bet money that the law is there.

    You will get zero sympathy from me if you run afoul of such a law if you break it simply because you cannot find it.

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    I have made thousands of traffic stops and have had hundreds of drivers get out of the vehicles and start coming back towards the cruiser.

    I never shot one and only drew my weapon on a few that were acting very suspicious. Or I had some other reason to believe that the driver might be dangerous

    I didn't see any thing in the dash cam footage that said shoot.


    As some stated I also think maybe he had an unintentional discharge and tried to cover it up.

    If he did shoot on purpose I would like to know why.

    Any ways he really messed up.
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    Wisconsin Officer's action after arrest without warrant. ss 345.23

    Unusual in my limited experience, Wisconsin specifies the lawful actions following arrest without warrant.

    345.22 Authority to arrest without a warrant. A person may be arrested without a warrant for the violation of a traffic regulation if the traffic officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the person is violating or has violated a traffic regulation.

    345.23 Officer’s action after arrest without a warrant. If a person is arrested without a warrant for the violation of a traffic regulation, the arresting officer shall issue a citation under s.345.11, and in addition: (1) May release the person; or (2) Shall release the person [ ... ] (3) Shall, ... bring him or her without unreasonable delay before a judge ... (4) Shall, ... specify on the citation a return date which may not be more than 90 days after the issue date.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/prefaces/toc

    That's all. No other action is lawful under this narrow section. So, I have narrowed the universe of discourse to Wisconsin statutes and provided a link URL to the entire corpus, now YOU cite the statutory authority for further actions following an unwarranted arrest.

    Promptly ETA: Moving on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDT COX View Post
    don't blame the cop one bit
    Really?? I hope the "cadet" title does not mean you are in LEO training. This act was flat wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by 7om5hipp View Post
    I see both at fault..............
    The driver got out of his vehicle....not illegal. LEO shoots driver....not legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7om5hipp View Post
    As for the sniff and peek, why be worried if you are not doing anything illegal. ........
    Did you really say that??
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    You will get zero sympathy from me if you run afoul of such a law if you break it simply because you cannot find it.
    eye95 espouses yet another form of apologia for the state: the morally bankrupt (and logically absurd) maxim "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    eye95 espouses yet another form of apologia for the state: the morally bankrupt (and logically absurd) maxim "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
    I had hoped to find a authoritative characterization of the similarities of the personalities, but perhaps this image of Que100 will be sufficient.
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    Watch the shooter's behavior at the end of the video. Post adrenalin dump reactions, or a sudden realization that he screwed the pooch on this one.

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