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    Thumbs up Illinois carry

    I've been reading the new laws and as long as our loaded guns stay in our vehicles we are legal. Locking our guns out of sight anywhere in a vehicle legal. I suggest to have a gun case in the front seat with you if you are going in to a hotel or say you car brakes down. Unloaded in a 'container' is legal too. I know someone going to O'Hare this week to pickup a friend and has decided to carry.

    Although I'm not sure how many Ill LEO's know the new law yet, has anyone been brave enough to vehicle carry in Illinois?

    source: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publ...F/098-0063.pdf
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    Re: Illinois carry

    Yes, have done it and my understanding is that officers have been made aware of the law. Nonresidents may now possess a loaded pistol in the nonresident's vehicle if you may carry in your home state. Although not required, I'd bring my CPL.

    See: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=117776
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    Thanks for the reply DrTodd. I'll change my question for more opinions.
    Who thinks they might be brave enough to car-carry there in the future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    Who thinks they might be brave enough to car-carry there in the future?
    I already have, but it was just a brief period of time as I traveled through the state on my way West (and back East). Didn't stop while in the state, and although I was prepared if I happened to get stopped I sure felt relieved when we crossed out of Illinois...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    Thanks for the reply DrTodd. I'll change my question for more opinions.
    Who thinks they might be brave enough to car-carry there in the future?
    I am brave enough to, but I'm not willing to go to Illinois... so I guess its moot.

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    So I can carry in my car in Illinois, but not in my home state, nice.

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    With my CPL I might be willing to OC in my car in Chicago, without it, ummmm no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    So I can carry in my car in Illinois, but not in my home state, nice.
    I thought you were deleting your account???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    Who thinks they might be brave enough to car-carry there in the future?
    I certainly will now, if I ever have to pass through again. But it still won't change much in regards to my strategy for illinois. Fill gas tank before crossing border, make sure to be stocked on food, avoid cook county by not less than 50 miles but preferably more, and stop only if absolutely necessary, getting out of the state as rapidly as possible without speeding.
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    I was in Chicago Heights, Cook County, shortly after this. Honestly, I didn't know I was technically legal at the time. I was actually trying to stay out of Illinois on my leg from Michigan to Texas. But when I listened to the GPS too soon and found myself in Chicago Heights, I was already there, sans mens rea, so I decided to just roll through instead of trying to turn around my huge trailer on those busy, crowded streets. And the roads in Indiana were horrible, so bad that I was okay with risking a felony to stay off of them. The Interstate south in Illinois made it worth it. Turns out, I was legal anyway. I'd have never guessed. I had two loaded handguns within reach in the cab, and two long guns with loaded magazines in the rack.
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    Re: Illinois carry

    This is good news for me. The "short" route to MI takes me through ILL. The long way takes me way out of the way but hey, my life is worth it to me. . ILLinois is the perfect example of how gun control DOES NOT work. The criminals there love strict gun laws, whilst the honest people there suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    I certainly will now, if I ever have to pass through again. But it still won't change much in regards to my strategy for illinois. Fill gas tank before crossing border, make sure to be stocked on food, avoid cook county by not less than 50 miles but preferably more, and stop only if absolutely necessary, getting out of the state as rapidly as possible without speeding.
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    Re: Illinois carry

    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    So I can carry in my car in Illinois, but not in my home state, nice.
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    I thought you were deleting your account???
    Hey casper how'd you get your account un-erased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    Thanks for the reply DrTodd. I'll change my question for more opinions.
    Who thinks they might be brave enough to car-carry there in the future?
    I will be going down the first weekend of November to visit friends and co-workers. I will be in Chicago for two days and will car carry and leave it locked and loaded in my safe, or unloaded and cased in the trunk, when I have to get out of the car. I will be staying nights in a supposedly gun friendly chain in Merrilville, IN and likely won't do any OC'ing while down there just to avoid any unnecessary hassles out of state.

    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    So I can carry in my car in Illinois, but not in my home state, nice.
    I don't think you can. The way I understood the laws is if you are not allowed to car carry in your car in MI you can not car carry in IL but I may obviously be wrong. IANAL, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fozzy71 View Post
    The way I understood the laws is if you are not allowed to car carry in your car in MI you can not car carry in IL but I may obviously be wrong. IANAL, etc.
    I would suggest not to carry without a carry license too but the Ill law says "is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence".
    I am not a lawyer but I think all fifty states now offer some form of license, even Hawaii residents are eligible even though I don't think Hawaii has issued a license in years.
    casper can OC here so he is more than eligible, he is allowed.
    Again on this one I stress IANAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    I would suggest not to carry without a carry license too but the Ill law says "is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence".
    I am not a lawyer but I think all fifty states now offer some form of license, even Hawaii residents are eligible even though I don't think Hawaii has issued a license in years.
    casper can OC here so he is more than eligible, he is allowed.
    Again on this one I stress IANAL.
    Vermonters have no license, but are "eligible" to carry in their home state.

    Eligible is eligible. If they wanted a physical permit, they would have asked for one. It's not like the IL legislature didn't know they existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zigziggityzoo View Post
    Vermonters have no license, but are "eligible" to carry in their home state.

    Eligible is eligible. If they wanted a physical permit, they would have asked for one. It's not like the IL legislature didn't know they existed.
    No, But like Mayor Heartwell of GR they might like the confusion as well. And lets not forget Chicago's top cop http://bearingarms.com/chicago-top-c...aled-carriers/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    I would suggest not to carry without a carry license too but the Ill law says "is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence".
    I am not a lawyer but I think all fifty states now offer some form of license, even Hawaii residents are eligible even though I don't think Hawaii has issued a license in years.
    casper can OC here so he is more than eligible, he is allowed.
    Again on this one I stress IANAL.
    Thanks for quoting the law. I agree that he is technically eligible and should be able to car carry in Ill after reading it but I wouldn't do it without being able to prove I was eligible to carry in some manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casper View Post
    So I can carry in my car in Illinois, but not in my home state, nice.
    Only if you have a CPL from your home state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Only if you have a CPL from your home state.

    Not according to the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zigziggityzoo View Post
    Not according to the law.
    LOL. I would have said this too, but wasn't sure if he meant that Casper couldn't "car carry" in Michigan without a home state CPL or that he couldn't "car carry" in Illinois without a home-state CPL. The first statement would be "true", the second, as you pointed out, would be "false".
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    I'm brave enough. The law clearly allows those who can carry in public in their home state to do so in their car while in Illinois.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    I'm brave enough. The law clearly allows those who can carry in public in their home state to do so in their car while in Illinois.
    The way I take it is Illinois residents cannot carry in their vehicle. Sounds like a good basis to challenge that brown sandwich of a law.
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    Since Zig didn't answer my question on MGO I am going to cross post it here:

    Quote Originally Posted by zigziggityzoo
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    Essentially, if you're legal to possess/carry a gun in your home state, then you can possess/carry in a vehicle in Illinois.


    Must be locked up and unloaded when leaving the car, but while you're present in the vehicle it can be loaded and on your person.


    They have preempted the whole state on this.

    I was under the impression it didn't have to be unloaded if it was left in the cabin of a locked vehicle but if you get out to put it in the trunk it must be unloaded before you exit the vehicle. Am I reading this wrong? I don't see where it says it must be unloaded.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fozzy71 View Post
    Since Zig didn't answer my question on MGO I am going to cross post it here:
    From what I see there is nothing in the law that says the firearm must be unloaded while being stored in a case in a locked car.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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