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    Hey folks. Is it wise/legal to OC on a public road just outside the perimiter fence of McCarran Airport?

    My other hobby is photography and I'd like to snap some photos of planes taking off/landing. The spot is right by a bus stop on a public road right next to the fence. Going alone, I would like to have some protection/deterrence with me, especially with my expensive equipment.

    I've already done some searching on the legalities of photography at an airport and as long as it's not explicitly marked "No photography," it's public land and it's allowed. Now would like advice on OC'ing.

    Thanks!

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    Not sure this will help or hinder. I have taken my son(s) to a spot (close to the security parameter, that permits us to view take-offs and landings at St. Louis International. A cop drove by once, and a airport cop drove by about an hour later (probaly not related). What they saw was a couple of kids and a adult sitting on the tailgate of a pick-up truck, with binoculars and a camera on a tripod (nothing fancy) on a Saturday Afternoon.

    Not saying you should have a couple of kids with you, but, if looks like you are engaged in a hobby to the casual observer the cops are likely to not bug you. Tripod with camera mounted and a folding chair for the slow time may indicate to a cop nothing more that a dude with too much time on his hands.

    A cop may not even see your OCed pistol. If a cop sees your OCed pistol he may not care. Let us know how things work out for ya.

    Just a suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedywrx View Post
    Hey folks. Is it wise/legal to OC on a public road just outside the perimiter fence of McCarran Airport?

    My other hobby is photography and I'd like to snap some photos of planes taking off/landing. The spot is right by a bus stop on a public road right next to the fence. Going alone, I would like to have some protection/deterrence with me, especially with my expensive equipment.

    I've already done some searching on the legalities of photography at an airport and as long as it's not explicitly marked "No photography," it's public land and it's allowed. Now would like advice on OC'ing.

    Thanks!
    No prohibition against OC in a Nevada airport so there certainly is no problem OC outside the airport.

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    You should post this question here:

    http://www.policeone.com/police-forums/

    Of course people on an OC forum are going to say you're ok. You want an opinion from a forum with people who would be among those challenging you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    Of course people on an OC forum are going to say you're ok. You want an opinion from a forum with people who would be among those challenging you.


    The people on the OC forum who are from the same state and region are almost certainly much more up-to-speed on the law regarding OC than random police officer. OP would do well to learn it himself (both as regards OC and photography) to be better prepared should there be an encounter.

    Also, wouldn't be a bad idea to have a recording device along, or even a friend with a video recorder...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaShooter View Post


    The people on the OC forum who are from the same state and region are almost certainly much more up-to-speed on the law regarding OC than random police officer. OP would do well to learn it himself (both as regards OC and photography) to be better prepared should there be an encounter.

    Also, wouldn't be a bad idea to have a recording device along, or even a friend with a video recorder...
    Well, then they're two questions, really. One is about the law and sure OC forum state members would be up on that, others whom might confront you, not so much.

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    I've OC'd in the baggage claim and ticket counter area of McCarran Airport. This is perfectly legal and trouble-free in the more-free states like Nevada. Welcome to the forum! I've also OC'd into the PT's Pub and drank a beer right across the street from the landing strip parking lot where photographers often set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    Well, then they're two questions, really. One is about the law and sure OC forum state members would be up on that, others whom might confront you, not so much.
    So specifically you would only listen to the opinions of Nevada LEOs on that pro-cop forum. Keep in mind you will get a very narrow band more indicative of a certain type of LEO on a site like that. An OC site will be full of actual experiences of local carriers in addition to expert analysis of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    You should post this question here:

    http://www.policeone.com/police-forums/

    Of course people on an OC forum are going to say you're ok. You want an opinion from a forum with people who would be among those challenging you.
    Are you one of the thugs that dresses in blue? Those who were the costume with the shiny metal have very little knowledge of the law. And I dont want a opinion from some costumed clown.

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    OC near an airport

    I have OC'd at McArren once. Also OC'd a relatively long blade several times with no issues.

    I don't see how there would be any question outside the airport even if there were laws restricting it inside. That's like saying you can't carry across the street from a federal facility...Or you can't carry in a national park because you are beside a federal building where federal employees work.

    As far as asking a cop forum - it really doesn't matter what their opinion is on the matter. If there is no law restricting it, it's none of their business.


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    Let us not forget that some officers, certainly not all, believe that just because something isn't against the law that they shouldn't use their authority to discourage and harass...
    Witness this excerpt from Officer.com regarding someone who was legally armed and near a school. "Man "protesting 2nd Amendment rights" creeps around Oregon school"
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    With as many unsolved crimes as there are on the books, I would think there is at least one unsolved felony where this guy’s physical description and weapon fit that of an outstanding suspect. This would at least warrant him being taken into custody for a day or so while detectives go do a photo lineup with the victim of the cold crime.

    If he is the right guy, then a cold case is solved. OTOH if he is not the right guy then dust him off and send him on his way. Not our fault if he and his weapon fit the description of a wanted felon.
    It's obvious that the behavior suggested is based not upon a reasonable suspicion of illegality about what the citizen is doing but upon wishing to cause annoyance to the citizen by virtue of the officer's position. One can imagine that same officer suggesting all dark-skinned individuals be rounded up just because there was a felony 'at some time in the past' and the description matched the general appearance of a black man walking peacefully down the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Let us not forget that some officers, certainly not all, believe that just because something isn't against the law that they shouldn't use their authority to discourage and harass...
    What with all the cops that have committed heinous felonies, we should do the same to each guy in a uniform until someone can verify they are one of the good ones. And there is probably a greater percentage of crooked cops than crooked non-cops.
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    Officers are trained to approach all citizen contact (including and perhaps especially traffic stops) as "this is the guy that could suddenly pull out a gun and kill you." I treat all police contact as "this could be the guy who's intent on arresting you, just because he's in a bad mood."
    If he isn't, that's fine, I'll just dust Officer Friendly off and send him on his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Officers are trained to approach all citizen contact....
    And yet OC is not a reason for a citizen contact, except that they WANT to shove some weight around. Circular logic, which is fortunately much more rare here than most of the country, and even much better now than ten years ago.
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    I OC'd in the airport my last trip down, and in the car rental area... no problems.. Whether it is because the way I dress people assume I'm a plain clothes cop, or just that I carry myself as if it is the most normal thing in the world, no one seems to pay attention... So I can't imagine that a person hanging out at the edge of the property with some cameras while OC'ing should garner any problems.

    The waitress in PTs pub that Mac mentioned before didn't even say a word to us when we were in there... If you don't make a big deal about it, then neither will most people.

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    Thanks for all the input! I don't dress like a thug - I'm in the military. Should a cop pull up and question me I plan on being respectful and honest. Sounds like it shouldn't be a problem though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Officers are trained to approach all citizen contact (including and perhaps especially traffic stops) as "this is the guy that could suddenly pull out a gun and kill you." I treat all police contact as "this could be the guy who's intent on arresting you, just because he's in a bad mood."
    If he isn't, that's fine, I'll just dust Officer Friendly off and send him on his way.
    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    And yet OC is not a reason for a citizen contact, except that they WANT to shove some weight around. Circular logic, which is fortunately much more rare here than most of the country, and even much better now than ten years ago.
    Ah, but I didn't say it was a legitimate reason, did I? There's no reason why an officer couldn't just want to approach and say 'nice shirt, where'd you get it?"
    But to elaborate, even if all an officer is saying is "Hi, hot enough for ya?" he's trained to be on the alert, because he 'just never knows who's gonna be the one." No circular logic involved.
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    PERFECTLY legal.

    I cannot comment on whether it is wise or not. Frankly, it doesn't matter. If it is not illegal, it is legal, wisdom and propriety ain't got nothin to do with it.

    I carry concealed and open on various airport premises throughout the country all the time. In Nevada, as long as you aren't concealed in a public building (terminal) on the airport, or open carrying or concealed in a "secure area" (virtually inaccessible unless you go through security) you are PERFECTLY within your rights.

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    I have reported the above post as spam. Ignore it.
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    It does make me happy reading about how many of you have OCd inside of McCarran with no issues. It upsets me when picking up family having to choose between leaving my protection in a vehicle in the parking garage or breaking the law and CCing in anyway (not that I would ever do that). I have always just assumed that it was something like the courthouses, where it was legal but you would be harassed and arrested because you don't have a badge and a costume.

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    Anyone ever OC in an eating establishment in the airport? I'm meeting family on a fly through in the morning and we want to have a bite. Not worried about carry in the public section but I don't want to get kicked out of a private
    establishment there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    Anyone ever OC in an eating establishment in the airport? I'm meeting family on a fly through in the morning and we want to have a bite. Not worried about carry in the public section but I don't want to get kicked out of a private establishment there.
    If they are flying through, do they want to exit security and have to go through it again to catch the next flight? That's the only way they can meet you. Make sure they have enough time.

    I can't remember if there are any eating joints outside security anyway,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    If they are flying through, do they want to exit security and have to go through it again to catch the next flight? That's the only way they can meet you. Make sure they have enough time.

    I can't remember if there are any eating joints outside security anyway,
    Yep, plenty of time. There are a couple places in the public shopping area. My concern is getting hassled in a private establishment there.

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    I know it's legal. But I will buy you lunch if you don't get hassled by any body in the airport. I should buy you lunch anyway as I haven't seen you in a long time.

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