papa bear
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good one ++1 WOLF
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GUNS SAVE LIVES DAY - Dec. 14
- Thread starter Dave Workman
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good one ++1 WOLF
papa bear
Regular Member
just to add to it WOLF, i have had BGs leave me alone because they saw a gun on the seat in my truck. i suppose they thought it was a pit bull that would attack them
JustaShooter
Regular Member
You just proved my point. The BG has to believe that there is someone with the means to oppose them. A sufficiently lifelike manikin with a gun makes the BG believe there is a GG with the means to oppose him.
I never disagreed with the basic premise. But I also believe that it is not the gun that does it.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Again you can believe what you want. I will believe common sense, no gun, no deterrence.
Oooops forgot to thumb my nose...
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eye95
Well-known member
*sigh*
The gun did not save anyone's life. Your action to point a gun at the BG and order him out did.
You folks do realize that when you say, "Guns save lives," you are making the same foolish mistake as antis when they say, "Guns kill people."
Guns don't do a damned thing.
The gun did not save anyone's life. Your action to point a gun at the BG and order him out did.
You folks do realize that when you say, "Guns save lives," you are making the same foolish mistake as antis when they say, "Guns kill people."
Guns don't do a damned thing.
JustaShooter
Regular Member
This. ^^
He could have been holding a baseball bat or one of those comical oversized monkey wrenches or a broadsword and the end result would have likely been the same - assuming that made him equally or better armed than the aggressor. And nobody would be saying "swords save lives!"
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Brake pads stop heavy moving vehicles. The negligent act of not using them or not performing maintenance can cost lives. There is a big difference between an act, and a deterrence. Without the presence of good pads a car cannot stop no matter how much the act of pushing the pedal of the car.
It is not my fault that some people have not got what it takes to separate a act, from a object. This is the very problem the anti's have and I find it amusing, although sad that some here use that argument to SOUND exactly like anti's. Funny it is some of the same people who hate on long gun OC.
It is not my fault that some people have not got what it takes to separate a act, from a object. This is the very problem the anti's have and I find it amusing, although sad that some here use that argument to SOUND exactly like anti's. Funny it is some of the same people who hate on long gun OC.
papa bear
Regular Member
actually, my holster is already on my pants and the gun just po go's over and jumps in. it hasn't figured out yet how to do the retention strap so i have to do it for it
you guy's are trying to argue semantics. the point is that the sight of a firearm WILL deter BGS. i don't have to touch it, shoot it, or even point at it. just the sight of it will make them choose a softer target
eye95
Well-known member
actually, my holster is already on my pants and the gun just po go's over and jumps in. it hasn't figured out yet how to do the retention strap so i have to do it for it
you guy's are trying to argue semantics. the point is that the sight of a firearm WILL deter BGS. i don't have to touch it, shoot it, or even point at it. just the sight of it will make them choose a softer target
These semantics are important. We argue those very semantics when we remind antis that "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." Some validate the errant argument of the antis when they say, "Guns save lives." Guns don't do a damned thing.
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Rusty Young Man
Regular Member
Neither the (inanimate) gun or an unarmed citizen will likely deter a criminal that has set their eyes on something. Try leaving a (realistic-looking) gun on the seat of a parked car, or out on the porch. Chances are we wouldn't hear about criminals stealing guns from vehicles if the GUN was the deterrent.
A firearm is an object, and if it appears to be within reach for use BY a LAC, it is the expressed POSSIBILITY of its use that provides the deterrent. Case in point, I had to OC an empty firearm this past Sunday (had to remove the mag and round in the chamber before I got to the gun show to check it). Even with an EMPTY gun, people seemed all too aware of the possibility of me using it (obviously, they didn't know it was empty).
A firearm is an object, and if it appears to be within reach for use BY a LAC, it is the expressed POSSIBILITY of its use that provides the deterrent. Case in point, I had to OC an empty firearm this past Sunday (had to remove the mag and round in the chamber before I got to the gun show to check it). Even with an EMPTY gun, people seemed all too aware of the possibility of me using it (obviously, they didn't know it was empty).
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Killing and preventing crime are two totally separate things. Killing is a act, not killing because of the presence of a gun is not a act, it is the omission of a act because of a gun.
It really is very simple, for those intelligent enough to grasp it.
eye95
Well-known member
And for those intelligent enough to grasp it, the gun did nothing. It was the LAC possessing the gun (an act) that was the deterrence.
Test (similar to the one alluded to above): Put a gun in the middle of the street. See if it prevents a crime or if one is committed. I got money on one being committed. Someone is going to steal that gun.
It ain't the gun (for those intelligent enough to grasp this). It is the armed citizen.
I really wouldn't have responded except for that poster behaving like an ass with his intelligence comment.
Moving on from the convo with the one behaving like an ass.
Test (similar to the one alluded to above): Put a gun in the middle of the street. See if it prevents a crime or if one is committed. I got money on one being committed. Someone is going to steal that gun.
It ain't the gun (for those intelligent enough to grasp this). It is the armed citizen.
I really wouldn't have responded except for that poster behaving like an ass with his intelligence comment.
Moving on from the convo with the one behaving like an ass.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
That is right the gun did nothing, and neither did the carrier, the BG chooses NOT to do something because of the presence of a gun. It is very simple, there is no action on the carrier's part, the action is the BG choosing not to be a BG BASED ON THE PRESENCE OF A GUN. Next you will claim a roof does not stop rain.
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Well to be technical the roof simply deflects & alter's the path of rain....
Lol just razzing you wolf.Okay now to get this trainwreck back on track...
I will be wearing my GUNS SAVE LIVES pin and carry one or more FNX-45(s) :monkey:
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eye95
Well-known member
It will be a stupid pin that helps foster the "Guns kill people" stupidity.
Again, guns don't do a damned thing.
Again, guns don't do a damned thing.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
NO they don't BUT their presence make criminals NOT do something. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Well to be technical the roof simply deflects & alter's the path of rain....
Okay now to get this trainwreck back on track...
Shucks, I was waiting for eye to claim the roofer stops the rain... :lol:
OC for ME
Regular Member
The rain drops "see" the roof prior to impact and the deterrent factor of the roofs' presence forces a fair number of the rain drops to not impact the roof. The rain drops that do hit the roof are those drops who were not paying attention, or were blind.