So I was invited to speak at a highscool about guns, carry, gun laws, and the 2a.

Small_Arms_Collector · Oct 13, 2013

So I've been invited to speak at my sisters high school about Concealed carry (I'll be sure to talk about open to), the application process, guns, gun laws, and 2A issues in general.

:dude:

Apparently while in her forensics class (yes apparently that is a high school course now) the topic of guns, and carry laws came up, and when she mentioned I was an instructor I was invited to come, and talk about it all.

It's nice that there actually is a school that hasn't been completely subverted, and is still actually about education, and not just blindly regurgitating anti gun propaganda.

Suggestions?

Raggs · Oct 13, 2013

Small_Arms_Collector said:
So I've been invited to speak at my sisters high school about Concealed carry (I'll be sure to talk about open to), the application process, guns, gun laws, and 2A issues in general.:dude:

Apparently while in her forensics class (yes apparently that is a high school course now) the topic of guns, and carry laws came up, and when she mentioned I was an instructor I was invited to come, and talk about it all.

It's nice that there actually is a school that hasn't been completely subverted, and is still actually about education, and not just blindly regurgitating anti gun propaganda.

Suggestions?

no suggestion, a question, Are you going to OC for the talk?

davidmcbeth · Oct 13, 2013

Wear pants !

MattinWA · Oct 13, 2013

Wow, what an honor. Very refreshing to hear

Small_Arms_Collector · Oct 13, 2013

Raggs said:
no suggestion, a question, Are you going to OC for the talk?

Thought about it, was requested not to, for an opportunity to speak I'll aqueous to their request, but I will make it clear in my presentation that there is nothing legally stopping me from it, and it is indeed possible, and ordinarily what I would be doing.

skidmark · Oct 13, 2013

Question: is the foresnics class about figuring stuff out in the lab or is it what used to be called the debate club? Confusion here could result in serious egg on at least two faces. (I've got a sawbuck on it being the debate club.)

Suggestions:

why hoplophobia is crazy
why is it OK for cops to OC but not for LACs? (tie in w/ the next 2 topic suggestions)
stats on "bad" shootings by CCW/CPL/CHP holders vs police, also vs general population (we are the least likely to shoot anybody)
the fallacy of "to serve and protect" - use all 5 SCOTUS cases to drive the point home. read the juicy parts out loud. point them to the NRA's website of self defense stories
why NICS and other TV shows are bad for real forensics
the origin and history of ccw laws as racial discrimination
the history of Heller and MacDonald
infringing 2A vs infringing 1A - why the difference(s)?

As you can see, I'm avoiding the CCW application process and personal firearms training, and going for how gun laws effect the students right now and how gun laws will effect them when they become adults (as in limitation of rights, personal responsibility and liability). They may all be interested in learning how to get a CCW/CPL/CHP, how soon they can buy their own gun, and stuff like that. I'm betting the school is going to be a bit touchy about that- even if the teacher says that's what everybody wants to hear about. Respond with how they need to become the next generation in the fight to keep the right to keep and bear arms and how that right is being attacked. (A clue - that's your segue into OC both as education and advocacy.)

stay safe.

MAC702 · Oct 13, 2013

Small_Arms_Collector said:
Thought about it, was requested not to, for an opportunity to speak I'll aqueous to their request, but I will make it clear in my presentation that there is nothing legally stopping me from it, and it is indeed possible, and ordinarily what I would be doing.

Is concealing legal at the school?

It might get kind of hot halfway through your presentation. You might need to take your coat off.

Raggs · Oct 13, 2013

MAC702 said:
Is concealing legal at the school?

It might get kind of hot halfway through your presentation. You might need to take your coat off.

nope, not in Michigan not even with permission

Small_Arms_Collector · Oct 13, 2013

skidmark said:
Question: is the foresnics class about figuring stuff out in the lab or is it what used to be called the debate club? Confusion here could result in serious egg on at least two faces. (I've got a sawbuck on it being the debate club.)

Suggestions:

why hoplophobia is crazy
why is it OK for cops to OC but not for LACs? (tie in w/ the next 2 topic suggestions)
stats on "bad" shootings by CCW/CPL/CHP holders vs police, also vs general population (we are the least likely to shoot anybody)
the fallacy of "to serve and protect" - use all 5 SCOTUS cases to drive the point home. read the juicy parts out loud. point them to the NRA's website of self defense stories
why NICS and other TV shows are bad for real forensics
the origin and history of ccw laws as racial discrimination
the history of Heller and MacDonald
infringing 2A vs infringing 1A - why the difference(s)?

As you can see, I'm avoiding the CCW application process and personal firearms training, and going for how gun laws effect the students right now and how gun laws will effect them when they become adults (as in limitation of rights, personal responsibility and liability). They may all be interested in learning how to get a CCW/CPL/CHP, how soon they can buy their own gun, and stuff like that. I'm betting the school is going to be a bit touchy about that- even if the teacher says that's what everybody wants to hear about. Respond with how they need to become the next generation in the fight to keep the right to keep and bear arms and how that right is being attacked. (A clue - that's your segue into OC both as education and advocacy.)

stay safe.

It's the lab kind.

22Luke36 · Oct 13, 2013

Any chance that you can get this to spread to other school districts?

22Luke36 · Oct 13, 2013

Small_Arms_Collector said:
Thought about it, was requested not to, for an opportunity to speak I'll aqueous to their request, but I will make it clear in my presentation that there is nothing legally stopping me from it, and it is indeed possible, and ordinarily what I would be doing.

An empty holster is a silent and peaceful way to protest.

Small_Arms_Collector · Oct 13, 2013

22Luke36 said:
Any chance that you can get this to spread to other school districts?

Don't know, but I'll try.

Small_Arms_Collector · Oct 13, 2013

22Luke36 said:
An empty holster is a silent and peaceful way to protest.

You read my mind.

22Luke36 · Oct 13, 2013

Small_Arms_Collector said:
Don't know, but I'll try.

You might insert something into your closing remarks.

MAC702 · Oct 13, 2013

Raggs said:
nope, not in Michigan not even with permission

Bummer.

Hmmm...

Would it be illegal to conceal a training "blue gun?"

22Luke36 · Oct 13, 2013

MAC702 said:
Bummer.

Hmmm...

Would it be illegal to conceal a training "blue gun?"

Not unless you were to brandish it. If the person on the receiving end thought it was real, I could see a really solid felonious assault case here.

Why would you want to do such a thing?

MAC702 · Oct 13, 2013

22Luke36 said:
...Why would you want to do such a thing?

I'm just thinking out loud. You take your coat off halfway through and there's a concealed training non-gun. Point can be made that a concealed firearm is easy to take anywhere, including where not allowed, and is the only method used by those who are intent on evil. What safety is there in a law that makes it illegal? What idiot would have a problem with someone who openly carries?

It's a direct visual impact.

22Luke36 · Oct 13, 2013

Your heart is in the right place.

MAC702 said:
I'm just thinking out loud. You take your coat off halfway through and there's a concealed training non-gun. Point can be made that a concealed firearm is easy to take anywhere, including where not allowed, and is the only method used by those who are intent on evil. What safety is there in a law that makes it illegal? What idiot would have a problem with someone who openly carries?

It's a direct visual impact.

Ok I'll buy that.

Mattimusmaximus · Oct 13, 2013

So I was invited to speak at a highscool about guns, carry, gun laws, and the...

Ill buy that to.. When my mother worked at the high school they had a kid walk into the room baggy pants sweatshirt and asked him to undo his weapons he pulled 4 handguns off his person with a sawed off shot gun out of his pants (no wonder the limp) and bunch of empty mags to show how someone could so easily (even a student who could never do wrong) to cause so much harm.. I agree

Make the poin with the training gun run it by the office just in case.

-Matt of Hillsboro OR-

22Luke36 · Oct 13, 2013

Negative on the clearance request. Easier to ask forgiveness, than permission. ;-)

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