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Thread: Rockford board passes resolution asking lawmakers to make oc in school illegal

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    Rockford board passes resolution asking lawmakers to make oc in school illegal


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    this has been coming since March.

    my comment
    I don't see this adding to safety in schools. CPL holders are among the most law abiding citizens in the state, to get their CPLs they have to be. I honestly don't see how going through the doors will make me an unsafe individual. I am a safe gun owner where ever I go, a school would be no different.
    Last edited by Raggs; 10-15-2013 at 06:11 PM.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    Obviously the Rockford board does not understand Michigan gun law. Open carrying a pistol in a school is illegal in Michigan unless the person has a cpl. This is the same as the places he listed in the article.

    Quote from Michigan AG Opinion 7113

    The carrying of firearms in public is also restricted by the Michigan Penal Code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.1 et seq. Section 234d of the Penal Code identifies certain “gun free zones” similar to those enumerated in section 5o of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act; within those specified zones, the possession of firearms is strictly prohibited, subject to limited exceptions.

    Specifically, section 234d(1) of the Penal Code provides that:
    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
    (a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
    (b) A church or other house of religious worship.
    (c) A court.
    (d) A theatre.
    (e) A sports arena.
    (f) A day care center.
    (g) A hospital.
    (h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session
    of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.

    This language is significantly broader than that employed by section 5o of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act. By its express
    terms, section 234d(1) of the Penal Code applies to firearms generally, not merely to pistols, and applies to firearms whether
    concealed or not. Subsection (2) of this provision creates several specific exceptions to this prohibition, two of which are germane to your inquiry.

    It provides, in pertinent part that:
    (2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
    * * *
    (b) A peace officer.
    (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

    Similarly, section 237a(4) of the Penal Code prohibits possession of a firearm in a weapon free school zone, a term defined
    in section 237a(6)(d) as “school property and a vehicle used by a school to transport students to or from school property.” Like
    section 234d(2), the prohibition against possessing firearms in a school zone does not apply to a peace officer or to a person
    licensed to carry a concealed weapon. Section 237a(5).
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    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Current legislation does not prohibit open carry firearms in public schools, though it does prohibit open carry firearms in banks, places of worship, courts, theatres, sports arenas, day care centers, hospitals, and bars.
    I know this isn't entirely accurate. But let's not tell them that OK? They are already delusional thinking that a sign will stop bad guys.
    Last edited by jfmi; 10-16-2013 at 12:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfmi View Post
    I know this isn't entirely accurate. But let's not tell them that OK? They are already delusional thinking that a sign will stop bad guys.
    Do you think they are going to send out another statement saying they were wrong about there being no law outlawing OC at a school? I think they'd even look more ignorant than they do already.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

    "Though defensive violence will always be a 'sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men." -Saint Augustine

    Disclaimer I am not a lawyer! Please do not consider anything you read from me to be legal advice.

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