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OC Codify HB 5091 & HB 5092

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bigt8261

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As we mentioned yesterday, the brandishing definition bills that we have been pushing PASSED the Michigan House. Not only did they pass, but they passed with overwhelming bipartisan support.

HB 5091 - PASS - 104-5
HB 5092 - PASS - 105-4

Michigan Open Carry would like to extend our thanks to the two sponsors. Rep. Joel Johnson (R-Clare) and Rep. Brandon Dillon (D-Grand Rapids)

Now the bills will head to the Senate where MOC expects similar support. Follow the link to see who voted against each bill.

Official Legislative Update:
http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=710075bba75b914b805e1861a&id=6ab143bed3
 
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Representatives Andy Schor (D-Lansing) and Marcia Hovey-Wright (D-Muskegon) vote to allow you to unjustifiably threaten someone with your firearm:

Recently two bills came up for a vote in Lansing, HB 5091 and HB 5092.

HB 5092 creates a definition for "brandishing", where currently there is none, as "to point, wave about, or display in a threatening manner with the intent to induce fear in another person".

HB 5091 removes hunters, those target practicing, and people selling or repairing firearms from a list of people who are lawfully allowed to brandish their firearms in public. The bill narrows down the list to peace officers performing their duties and those who are engaging in lawful self-defense.

Both Rep. Schor and Rep. Hovey-Wright voted NO for HB 5091 and YES for HB 5092.

If you were following along, that means they voted to allow those who are hunting, target practicing, or repairing or selling firearms to threaten people with their firearms in public.

These votes were not anti-gun, they were anti-common sense. As we have seen time and time again, some people are so close minded, all rational thought escapes them as soon as they see the word “gun”.

How are we supposed to have a rational conversation when one side is simply not paying attention?
 
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bigt8261 said:
Representatives Andy Schor (D-Lansing) and Marcia Hovey-Wright (D-Muskegon) vote to allow you to unjustifiably threaten someone with your firearm:

Recently two bills came up for a vote in Lansing, HB 5091 and HB 5092.

HB 5092 creates a definition for "brandishing", where currently there is none, as "to point, wave about, or display in a threatening manner with the intent to induce fear in another person".

HB 5091 removes hunters, those target practicing, and people selling or repairing firearms from a list of people who are lawfully allowed to brandish their firearms in public. The bill narrows down the list to peace officers performing their duties and those who are engaging in lawful self-defense.

Both Rep. Schor and Rep. Hovey-Wright voted NO for HB 5091 and YES for HB 5092.

If you were following along, that means they voted to allow those who are hunting, target practicing, or repairing or selling firearms to threaten people with their firearms in public.

These votes were not anti-gun, they were anti-common sense. As we have seen time and time again, some people are so close minded, all rational thought escapes them as soon as they see the word “gun”.

How are we supposed to have a rational conversation when one side is simply not paying attention?
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Where did you pull that from? That's sad and funny at the same time.
 
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Just pieced together I imagine.

5091 Nays: Hovey-Wright, Stanley, Talabi, Townsend, Schor

5092 Nays: Robinson, Stanley, Talabi, Townsend

As MCL 750.234e was written before, it was just saying "You are not allowed to brandish your weapon, and by the way Police, Hunters, Target Practice, and Actively Buying/Selling is not considered brandishing." And it kind of worked given the enigmatic definition of "brandish," which given the way 750.234e was written seemingly means "to use or hold."

However, once you actually define Brandish as waving and threatening, then 750.234 doesn't make sense anymore to allow Hunters to brandish.

The commentary on Hovey-Wright and Schor is, however, putting undue intention on their action. I'm sure they did intend to make the statement of "We believe hunters and practice shooters and buyers/sellers should be allowed to point and threaten someone with their firearm." Of course they didn't intend that. But their voting does amount to that.
 
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