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    DHS-FBI Suspicious Activity Reporting: Weapons, 7 weapons evidence of criminal/terror

    (U//FOUO) DHS-FBI Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Bulletin: Weapons Discovery

    October 16, 2013 in Department of Homeland Security, Federal Bureau of Investigation

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    (U//FOUO) Possession of large amounts of weapons, ammunition, explosives, accelerants, or explosive precursor chemicals could indicate pre-operational terrorist attack planning or criminal activity. For example, in preparation for conducting the July 2011 attacks in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik stockpiled approximately 12,000 pounds of precursors, weapons, and armor and hid them underground in remote, wooded locations.

    (U//FOUO) Recent SAR incidents reported to the Nationwide SAR Initiative (NSI) shared space highlight the types of weapons discoveries that are suggestive of pre-operational activity and attack planning. Although neither incident was linked to terrorist activity, they are cited as examples for awareness and training purposes.

    » (U) Upon entering a residence to serve a search warrant, police discovered six small improvised explosive devices (IEDs), a small incendiary device, a hoax IED, and a glass jar filled with smokeless powder, nuts, bolts, and other fragmentation sealed with wax. The police arrested and charged the homeowner with multiple counts, including manufacturing a destructive device.

    » (U) During a traffic stop, police discovered 7 firearms (4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 2 rifles), approximately 5,000 rounds of ammunition, 21 ammunition magazines, a 12-gauge ammunition belt with rounds, a pistol holster with magazine pouch, a punch knife, and other materials in the vehicle. The police arrested and charged the driver and passenger with weapons possession.

    (U) Possible Indicators of Criminal Weapons Possession Related to Terrorism

    (U//FOUO) The following activities could indicate attempts to stockpile large quantities of weapons or explosive materials for use in an attack. Depending on the context time, location, personal behaviors, and other indicators persons who attempt to acquire explosive materials or precursors should be reported to appropriate authorities.

    (U//FOUO) Large quantities of weapons are typically cached in a location such as an individual’s home, storage facility, or vehicle, but can be found attended by the individual (such as in luggage while traveling) or unattended (discarded or seemingly discarded) in a public area.

    » (U//FOUO) Illegal possession of firearms (rifles, shotguns, pistols, and military grade firearms) and ammunition.

    » (U//FOUO) Possession of explosives such as IEDs (including rockets, grenades, pipe bombs, and other homemade explosives) and other destructive devices: and

    » (U//FOUO) Dangerous objects artfully concealed at security screening checkpoints or in areas where weapons are not allowed.

    (U//FOUO) Constitutional activities should not be reported in a SAR or Information Sharing Environment (ISE) SAR absent articulable facts and circumstances that support the source agency’s suspicion that the behavior observed is not innocent, but rather reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism, including evidence of pre operational planning related to terrorism. Race, ethnicity, national origin, or religious affiliation should not be considered as factors that create suspicion (although these factors may be used as specific suspect descriptions).

    Tags: Department of Homeland Security, Federal Bureau of Investigation, For Official Use Only, Second Amendment, Suspicious Activity Reporting, Terrorism
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    So owning 7 firearms (4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 2 rifles) is evidence of terrorist activity? The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI warn state and local law enforcement agencies to look out for people in possession of “large amounts” of weapons and ammunition, describing the discovery of “unusual amounts” of weapons as a potential indicator of criminal or terrorist activity. Is this just the Obama administration's effort to make gun ownership difficult and costly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Safety is the new Liberty, and recklessness is the new Freedom, and anonymous is the new John Handcock.
    John HanDcock?

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    Spieling NAZI hijack sarcastic irony, ignorance feigned to make a point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Spieling NAZI hijack sarcastic irony, ignorance feigned to make a point
    Point? There's a point to it? ROFL

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    Firearm collectors beware. New source of cool tools for the feds to trump up charges and confiscate.

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    <snip>
    During a traffic stop, police discovered 7 firearms (4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 2 rifles), approximately 5,000 rounds of ammunition, 21 ammunition magazines, a 12-gauge ammunition belt with rounds, a pistol holster with magazine pouch, a punch knife, and other materials in the vehicle. The police arrested and charged the driver and passenger with weapons possession.
    </snip>

    Wow, that could my friends and I on a good weekend outing without too much effort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by March Hare View Post
    <snip>
    During a traffic stop, police discovered 7 firearms (4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 2 rifles), approximately 5,000 rounds of ammunition, 21 ammunition magazines, a 12-gauge ammunition belt with rounds, a pistol holster with magazine pouch, a punch knife, and other materials in the vehicle. The police arrested and charged the driver and passenger with weapons possession.
    </snip>

    Wow, that could my friends and I on a good weekend outing without too much effort!

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    no joke, on our weekend shoots, i typically have an ammo case for pistol and rifle, several rifles and pistols each.

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    Hmm so are they going to cry out for a ban on High capacity safes next? Most larger safes can hold <sarcastic>unbelievably terrifying</sarcastic> caches of scary stuff!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopis View Post
    no joke, on our weekend shoots, i typically have an ammo case for pistol and rifle, several rifles and pistols each.
    And I'm sure plenty of flammable liquid that you carry around in your vehicle too !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    (U//FOUO) DHS-FBI Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Bulletin: Weapons Discovery


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    » (U) During a traffic stop, police discovered 7 firearms (4 pistols, 1 shotgun, and 2 rifles), approximately 5,000 rounds of ammunition, 21 ammunition magazines, a 12-gauge ammunition belt with rounds, a pistol holster with magazine pouch, a punch knife, and other materials in the vehicle. The police arrested and charged the driver and passenger with weapons possession.

    ...
    (U//FOUO) Constitutional activities should not be reported in a SAR or Information Sharing Environment (ISE) SAR absent articulable facts and circumstances that support the source agency’s suspicion that the behavior observed is not innocent, but rather reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism, including evidence of pre operational planning related to terrorism. Race, ethnicity, national origin, or religious affiliation should not be considered as factors that create suspicion (although these factors may be used as specific suspect descriptions).


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    Overall this seems like a correct bulletin. I'm guessing the people with 7 firearms and ammo where prohibited or in a place they couldn't have them. A for the rest of it it says that "Constitutional activities should not be reported in a SAR" seems better then some of the other stuff coming out of the DHS/FBI.

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