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    You load 16 tons and what do you get....

    The topic of of the horrors of the company store and why we needed government to fix it was brought up. My name was mentioned because how dare I think the government solution made things worse.

    Of course since I didn't use Wikipedia as my source as the poster did and only use obscure sources nobody cares about......I must be wrong.

    Well here's a great paper on the subject, and the references are pages long, written by an economic historian. http://www.nber.org/papers/h0105.pdf?new_window=1

    Again to address some of the fallacies of the argument presented, I do not believe that unfettered liberty is all smooth sailing, there always will be problems ....the fallacy is thinking the government solves these problems and doesn't make things worse.

    The paper points out how mobile people were and how in most company ran towns the competition to keep workers improved the lives and gave more to the labors.

    It shows how these laws passed (like most laws) because of the company stores who wanted them, not because of protection of the workers, the workers had no lobby or political power.

    The poster who makes these claims also posts that somehow libertarians aren't seeing reason and he can't argue with them, nope the reason you can't argue with them is because you can't counter the logic and history.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Is this other conversation you mention online? If so I'd be interested to see it.

    Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFBDn5PiL00
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    It is not a conversation per se, this thread is a reasoned and researched rebuttal to a semi-false assertion by EMNofSeattle. he typically uses emotion to force his point of view into the realm of logical discourse. On this particular front, this threads title, he has been shown to be less than educated but thoroughly indoctrinated.

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    We trying to get PhDs or something?

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    If I can't get a job with the 6 degrees I'll have by next summer I intend to go on for a PhD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    It is not a conversation per se, this thread is a reasoned and researched rebuttal to a semi-false assertion by EMNofSeattle. he typically uses emotion to force his point of view into the realm of logical discourse. On this particular front, this threads title, he has been shown to be less than educated but thoroughly indoctrinated.
    +1

    It's the typical anti thinking (anti liberty, anti gun, anti etc) grab and latch on to the rare occurrences or the minority as a rationalization to then subject the majority to tyranny.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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