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    Gun Free Zone reaches goal of 100 businesses recruited. (List Of Businesses)

    Today Mayor McGinn and Washington CeaseFire President Ralph Fascitelli gathered at the Big Picture Theatre to announce that over 100 local businesses have signed up to be part of the recently launched Gun Free Zone program.

    “This program has become a national model for how to change the conversation on gun violence,” said Fascitelli. “We’ve gotten calls from cities, counties and even other states asking for advice on how to implement their own Gun Free Zone programs. With Mayor McGinn’s support, this creative initiative is gaining national momentum and attention.”

    Since the Gun Free Zone program launched in late August, businesses have been signing up at a rate of nearly one per day. A full list of businesses can be found at

    http://www.gunfreeseattle.org/

    Participating Businesses

    •2K Metal Works, LLC
    •5 Point Cafe
    •74th Street Ale House
    •95 Slide
    •A-Pizza Mart
    •Alive and Well
    •Alta Bicycle Share
    •Alta Planning + Design
    •Atlantic Crossing
    •Babeland
    •Bar Ferd'nand
    •Bar Sajor
    •Barboza
    •Baskin-Robbins - Queen Anne/Magnolia
    •Big Mario's Pizza
    •Big Picture Theatre
    •Bluebird Ice Cream
    •Brenthaven
    •Bulldog News
    •Burgundian
    •Bus Stop Espresso
    •Cafe Flora
    •Cafe Paloma
    •Cafe Racer
    •Caffe Vita
    •Central Cinema
    •Century Ballroom
    •Cherry Street Café
    •Chocolati - Wallingford
    •Columbia City Bakery
    •Crisp Harvest Market
    •Cupcake Royale
    •D-D Barbershop
    •Derby Salon
    •Die Bierstube
    •Elliott Bay Books
    •Fancy
    •Fat Ducks Bakery
    •First United Methodist Church
    •Fish Fry
    •Freddy's Junior
    •Ha! Restaurant
    •Henry and Oscars
    •Havana
    •Latona Pub
    •Law Offices of Holmes & Witchley, PLLC
    •Lifelong AIDS Alliance
    •Lindas
    •Lost Lake Cafe & Lounge
    •Ltd. Art Gallery
    •Manhattan Seattle
    •Mars Bar
    •Maya’s Restaurant Inc.
    •Merkel Services Auto Detailing
    •Mill Creek OB/GYN
    •Moe Bar
    •Molly Moons - all 6 locations
    •Neumo's
    •New Seattle Massage
    •Nube Green
    •Oddfellows
    •Office Nomads
    •Pacific Inn Pub
    •Platinum Records
    •Portage Bay - All 3 locations
    •Quinn's
    •Rain City Burgers
    •Reel Grrls
    •Revolutions Coffee
    •Royal Bar & Patio
    •Ruby Pear Woodworks
    •Salvatore
    •Satay
    •Seattle Antique Market
    •Seattle Medium
    •Sitka & Spruce Restaurant
    •Smith
    •Southern Street Kids
    •SpeakerLab
    •Spud's Fish and Chips
    •Stone Turtle Health
    •Subway - Green Lake
    •Sugar on Top Salon
    •Sugarcomb Salon
    •Sutra LLC
    •Sweatbox Yoga
    •Tacos Guaymas
    •Tangletown Elysian Brewery
    •The Blue Glass
    •The Hillside Bar
    •The London Plane
    •The Saint
    •Totokaelo
    •Trabant Coffee
    •Tutta Bella Neapolitan Pizzeria in Columbia City
    •Wildrose
    •UPS Store - Roosevelt
    •Urban Rest Stop
    •Veranda Montessori LLC
    •Wildlife Cycles
    •Wildrose
    •Zoe
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    Dunkin' Donuts spokeswoman Michelle King:

    "Dunkin’ Donuts and Baskin-Robbins restaurants are owned and operated by individual franchisees who are required to follow all federal, state and local laws with regard to firearms."

    Does this confilict with the signage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blahpony View Post
    Does this confilict with the signage?
    If the individual owners want to ban, no....

    Interesting how they say LEO's are Exempt.

    Are police officers and law enforcement officers exempt?
    Yes. Any law enforcement officer of the federal, state, or local government agency is exempt.

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    more properly call "killing zones" ...

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    Are they really counting all those bars? Where weapons are prohibited anyway? Really?

    And is anyone making sure all this is in "Friend or Foe"?

    ETA: Thanks for posting, XD!

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    I think it's kinda nice to have a concise list of places where I shouldn't spend my money, and that includes when I am not carrying at a bar
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    Not a single business I've ever been to, or ever will. That list is a bunch of no names, never will matter, hanging on by a thread businesses.

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    Almost all of these businesses are in Seattle, most are less than 10 years old, and most will be closed up in another few years as the city continues to make it hard on business owners with taxes, regulations and the war on cars(customer transportation).

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    15 to 20 % on the list are either bars or schools were you cant carry anyway
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    except for BR and Satay, i've never heard of any of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD45PlusP View Post
    •Cafe Racer
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they ban guns BEFORE the shooting there as well? In any case, they don't seem to have learned anything from their experience.

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    I've eaten at Big Mario's pizza, they've been around awhile...... Good food there... Kinda unfortunate

    Portage Bay I've been to, I don't need a gun buster sign to tell me not to eat there again, their prices are high and the service is awful, they're the only business I've one starred on yelp...
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    So... How do we know it is actually the business owner or manager adding their own shop/business to that website, and not just some happy hippie plugging away adding random businesses in order to push their agenda/propoganda..

    - Who confirms these??? The happy hippies??
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    Curious about the Subway and UPS. Is that official company policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCbaldguy View Post
    Curious about the Subway and UPS. Is that official company policy?
    Subway and UPS Stores are franchises, they are owned by people other then subway who pay a fee for the subway brand

    those owners could tell you not to shop there with your gun and the police will back them up, unless subway is willing to break the franchise agreement with the franchisee over this issue then the owners word goes....
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Subway and UPS Stores are franchises, they are owned by people other then subway who pay a fee for the subway brand

    those owners could tell you not to shop there with your gun and the police will back them up, unless subway is willing to break the franchise agreement with the franchisee over this issue then the owners word goes....
    The reverse is also true. Corporate could ban guns but the franchise owner could choose to declare a mass-shooting-free zone instead.

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    Here is a list of disarmed victim zones in Seattle.

    These business owners would rather see you disarmed and dead than have you be able to defend yourself. No, they are not offering to defend you in the case of an attack they only want to you give everything you own to any armed criminal that comes into their stores.

    http://www.gunfreeseattle.org/#participate
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    The level of stupid on that site...

    http://www.gunfreeseattle.org/#faq

    What do I do if a civilian enters my property with a gun?
    If you feel comfortable, you can ask if they saw your sign, but use your better judgment. In general, you should call the police. The property owner or a representative must be present to direct police to remove someone from the property.
    Sign? What sign?

    Officer; You need to leave.
    Citizen: Are you the business owner?
    Officer: No.
    Citizen: Then I don't need to leave. Only an authorized representative of the business can ask me to leave. You're supposed to be a neutral party/witness in the case that a citizen does not follow the authorized representative's request. You're also here to witness said request to prevent a "he said, he said" case in court. Now if the authorized representative wishes me to leave then all they must do is make such request to me and I will leave.
    Officer: I am doing it for them.
    Citizen: Sorry, but you don't even work here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    http://www.gunfreeseattle.org/#faq



    Sign? What sign?

    Officer; You need to leave.
    Citizen: Are you the business owner?
    Officer: No.
    Citizen: Then I don't need to leave. Only an authorized representative of the business can ask me to leave. You're supposed to be a neutral party/witness in the case that a citizen does not follow the authorized representative's request. You're also here to witness said request to prevent a "he said, he said" case in court. Now if the authorized representative wishes me to leave then all they must do is make such request to me and I will leave.
    Officer: I am doing it for them.
    Citizen: Sorry, but you don't even work here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    we badly need a new rule on OCDO

    "if you propose a stupid new legal theory you must present video evidence of you attempting it"
    This is based on information gathered here on this site.

    You've even commented on those threads.

    Signs have no legal meaning.
    Only authorized representative can asked you to leave for trespassing. That has been discussed rather in-depth I thought.


    Everything presented was extrapolated from this forum.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Signs aside, if an owner or employee acting in place of the owner/management calls the police for any reason involving a patron, would that not automatically make the police a de facto "agent"?

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    Why any debate? Real simple, you see one of the unarmed victim zone stickers you go somewhere else. Take your gun/money elsewhere. I could really care less about the "legalities", but more about their mentality that will direct me to their competitor. Even places like bars where it is already illegal, if they were to display one of these stickers, I would still go else where. I'm glad I don't live in the "McGoober Zone".
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Subway and UPS Stores are franchises, they are owned by people other then subway who pay a fee for the subway brand

    those owners could tell you not to shop there with your gun and the police will back them up, unless subway is willing to break the franchise agreement with the franchisee over this issue then the owners word goes....
    Have you read the franchise agreement? If you have not you have no way of knowing what the franchisee can or can not do. Nor do you know if Subway would be breaking any agreement with the franchisee since you do not know what is in the agreement. Most franchise agreements require the franchisee to follow all state, federal and local laws, but since I have not read their individual agreements I have no way of knowing. I do have a clue because I have read quite a few franchise agreements over the years and I can not remember a single one that did not require the franchisee to follow all state, federal and local laws.

    I think we badly need a new rule on OCDO as well and that rule would involve citing a valid source for you statement.....................................OH wait OCDO does have that rule.

    Please cite your source for stating Subway would be breaking the franchise agreement with the franchisee. I am asking since I have no way to know for sure.

    One last thing this is not our or your or my OCDO, nor does we carry any weight in making the rules for OCDO, you are presumptuous Sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Why any debate? Real simple, you see one of the unarmed victim zone stickers you go somewhere else. Take your gun/money elsewhere. I could really care less about the "legalities", but more about their mentality that will direct me to their competitor. Even places like bars where it is already illegal, if they were to display one of these stickers, I would still go else where. I'm glad I don't live in the "McGoober Zone".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    Have you read the franchise agreement? If you have not you have no way of knowing what the franchisee can or can not do. Nor do you know if Subway would be breaking any agreement with the franchisee since you do not know what is in the agreement. Most franchise agreements require the franchisee to follow all state, federal and local laws, but since I have not read their individual agreements I have no way of knowing. I do have a clue because I have read quite a few franchise agreements over the years and I can not remember a single one that did not require the franchisee to follow all state, federal and local laws.

    I think we badly need a new rule on OCDO as well and that rule would involve citing a valid source for you statement.....................................OH wait OCDO does have that rule.

    Please cite your source for stating Subway would be breaking the franchise agreement with the franchisee. I am asking since I have no way to know for sure.

    One last thing this is not our or your or my OCDO, nor does we carry any weight in making the rules for OCDO, you are presumptuous Sir.
    If the franchisee calls the police and asks them to remove you for trespass they will remove you, the police do not know nor care about the franchise agreement between a subway and corporate. that's a civil matter involving contract.

    on the other hand, you entering a business and remaining is a criminal matter involving violation of trespass laws.
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