b0neZ
Regular Member
Signs aside, if an owner or employee acting in place of the owner/management calls the police for any reason involving a patron, would that not automatically make the police a de facto "agent"?
Subway and UPS Stores are franchises, they are owned by people other then subway who pay a fee for the subway brand
those owners could tell you not to shop there with your gun and the police will back them up, unless subway is willing to break the franchise agreement with the franchisee over this issue then the owners word goes....
Why any debate? Real simple, you see one of the unarmed victim zone stickers you go somewhere else. Take your gun/money elsewhere. I could really care less about the "legalities", but more about their mentality that will direct me to their competitor. Even places like bars where it is already illegal, if they were to display one of these stickers, I would still go else where. I'm glad I don't live in the "McGoober Zone".
Have you read the franchise agreement? If you have not you have no way of knowing what the franchisee can or can not do. Nor do you know if Subway would be breaking any agreement with the franchisee since you do not know what is in the agreement. Most franchise agreements require the franchisee to follow all state, federal and local laws, but since I have not read their individual agreements I have no way of knowing. I do have a clue because I have read quite a few franchise agreements over the years and I can not remember a single one that did not require the franchisee to follow all state, federal and local laws.
I think we badly need a new rule on OCDO as well and that rule would involve citing a valid source for you statement.....................................OH wait OCDO does have that rule.
Please cite your source for stating Subway would be breaking the franchise agreement with the franchisee. I am asking since I have no way to know for sure.
One last thing this is not our or your or my OCDO, nor does we carry any weight in making the rules for OCDO, you are presumptuous Sir.
If the franchisee calls the police and asks them to remove you for trespass they will remove you, the police do not know nor care about the franchise agreement between a subway and corporate. that's a civil matter involving contract.
on the other hand, you entering a business and remaining is a criminal matter involving violation of trespass laws.
If the franchisee calls the police and asks them to remove you for trespass they will remove you, the police do not know nor care about the franchise agreement between a subway and corporate. that's a civil matter involving contract.
on the other hand, you entering a business and remaining is a criminal matter involving violation of trespass laws.
Cite the law that gives them that authority.
If the franchisee calls the police and asks them to remove you for trespass they will remove you, the police do not know nor care about the franchise agreement between a subway and corporate. that's a civil matter involving contract.
on the other hand, you entering a business and remaining is a criminal matter involving violation of trespass laws.
Nice deflection but that is only part of what you said. Please cite your source for stating Subway would be breaking the franchise agreement with the franchisee. If you can not then retract your statement.
I said if Subway is unwilling to break their agreement (meaning terminate it or in some way sanction their franchisee for not following a corporate policy) then whatever the franchisee says for rules goes.
if you complain to corporate and they talk to the franchisee, and the franchisee says no way in hell he'll let legal guns in his franchise Subway must have a clause that allows them to terminat a franchise agreement for non compliance with corporate standards, if they're non willing to exercise such a power then the no guns policy at a particular franchise stands.
on the other hand, you entering a business and remaining is a criminal matter involving violation of trespass laws.
Cite?
Criminal Trespass in the first degree, you seem smart enough to use google to finish from there.
Signs aside, if an owner or employee acting in place of the owner/management calls the police for any reason involving a patron, would that not automatically make the police a de facto "agent"?
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You simply do not know what their agreement is or what any of the parties may or may not do, yet you continue to postulate and put forth imaginary what ifs like the are solid facts please stop. Stop representing your opinion as fact. Moving on!
If the franchisee calls the police and asks them to remove you for trespass they will remove you, the police do not know nor care about the franchise agreement between a subway and corporate. that's a civil matter involving contract.
on the other hand, you entering a business and remaining is a criminal matter involving violation of trespass laws.
Cite the law that gives them that authority.
Criminal Trespass in the first degree, you seem smart enough to use google to finish from there.
You simply do not know what their agreement is or what any of the parties may or may not do, yet you continue to postulate and put forth imaginary what ifs like the are solid facts please stop. Stop representing your opinion as fact. Moving on!
I wish you would move on. What he said is completely accurate. He admitted he doesn't know, but NEITHER DO YOU.