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    Poison pill! Republicans scrap bill expanding who could bring guns into schools

    "The original bill that was scheduled for a vote on Thursday would allow retired, out-of-state and off-duty police officers to also carry guns in school. "

    “Police officers are highly trained,” said Riffel, chief of the Sheboygan Falls Police Department. “They take an oath. They’re certainly capable of handling dangerous situations. That’s what a police officer does on a daily basis.”

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    OMG ROFL ... police ... dangerous situations ... in Wisconsin ....

    I did not know chasing down those big dalmatians was so dangerous....

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    So how much training is required to shoot back at some scumbag exterminating your children?

    Last I read "civilians" have a much higher hit ratio on their perp targets and have a much lower rate of "collateral damage". Maybe the police need a little less training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Either we are equal or we are not.
    I ain't gonna touch that one for the sake of both sides, but howsabout a middlin? Actually secure our faux border with mexico, stop all govt aid to illegals, then with the hundred millions we save, stick an armed cop in every school? Sounds good to me on all counts.

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    I don't approve a cop in every school ...

    I approve securing the entryways into the bldg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't approve a cop in every school ...

    I approve securing the entryways into the bldg.
    + armed personell - works in Israel. Hard targets are.........hard targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't approve a cop in every school ...

    I approve securing the entryways into the bldg.
    That worked well at Newtown BG just shot out the glass and walked in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    That worked well at Newtown BG just shot out the glass and walked in.
    Obviously it was not a secured entrance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Running Wolf View Post
    Obviously it was not a secured entrance.
    Given enough time, tools or explosives nothing is secure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Given enough time, tools or explosives nothing is secure.
    Of course there is no such thing as 100% security, short of the grave. Life is risk. Including "a cop in every school" doesn't create 100% security either, but it does increase potential for abuse of power, not to mention an erosion of personal liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Running Wolf View Post
    Including "a cop in every school" doesn't create 100% security either, but it does increase potential for abuse of power, not to mention an erosion of personal liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't approve a cop in every school ...
    I approve securing the entryways into the bldg.
    In all actuality, neither will work. The only thing that will work is for teachers themselves to be armed as they are indeed the last thing separating nutbats from the children in their charge. But most teachers are liberal/progressives, thus formally brainwashed by the government unionists running and teaching in the universities.
    But in the meantime....no problem in shifting monies away from BS to putting armed cops in schools.

    Liberal/progressives think of the long war they are in against this former nation. Normal people/conservatives tend to act out/react to the immediate, core principles. Thus why the socialist pigs gradually get more and more power over time as the normal people/conservatives are slowly surrounded, then slowly suffocated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    + armed personell - works in Israel. Hard targets are.........hard targets.
    In Israel , armed sentries = more bombings .. of course their situation is different than ours (currently)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Running Wolf View Post
    Obviously it was not a secured entrance.
    In reality, we have no idea what happened in Newtown ... its all very hush hush .. all my FOIA requests resulted in zero records so far. Since APR.

    Served requests with: town of Newtown, state police, medical examiner, and Attny Gen office.

    Not 1 piece of paper...and my requests are very very broad....

    Cover up city. Its possible that the shooter shot the kids with a 9mm pistol and the police then shot the kids with an AR afterwards. Its been done before .. cops shooting dead people with a different gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    In reality, we have no idea what happened in Newtown ... .
    The Official Police Report has not changed since it was released on that Saturday... We know what happened to those kids...


    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Cover up city. Its possible that ......BS...BS....BS....
    Take that BS somewhere else.. It has not place on this forum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    The Official Police Report has not changed since it was released on that Saturday... We know what happened to those kids...

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Cover up city. Its possible that ......BS...BS....BS....
    Take that BS somewhere else.. It has not place on this forum...
    Though I agree with you that it is baloney, as long as he doesn't break any forum rules he has a right to make himself look like a fool here just like he does elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaShooter View Post
    Though I agree with you that it is baloney, as long as he doesn't break any forum rules he has a right to make himself look like a fool here just like he does elsewhere.
    And I may still object....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    And I may still object....
    Indeed, please feel free to do so, as often as you are so inclined. Just be careful when arguing with idiots as they can drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaShooter View Post
    Just be careful when arguing with idiots as they can drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
    Sage advice......

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    Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight

    The Official Police Report has not changed since it was released on that Saturday... We know what happened to those kids...

    Originally Posted by davidmcbeth
    Cover up city. Its possible that ......BS...BS....BS....



    Take that BS somewhere else.. It has not place on this forum...
    Quote Originally Posted by JustaShooter View Post
    Though I agree with you that it is baloney, as long as he doesn't break any forum rules he has a right to make himself look like a fool here just like he does elsewhere.
    Actually, he has the privilege of doing so - we are all guests here.

    The Administration of OCDO has traditionally allowed opinions/ideas from all points of view, insofar as they stay within the limits of the rules. Some may push the limits too far and thereby are potential recipients of a warning or called decision to edit/delete.

    Note that David uses qualifying words like "Its possible" to limit his exposure and doesn't provide cites for "it has happened before" - might have been referring to a 3rd world incident. The implication though is that it is less than rare in the land of the free - which IMO stretches credibility. In this case, his real point is that all of his FOIA requests have gone unanswered.

    Sometimes it is just best to not respond/reply to such posts - it gives them life that they would not otherwise have. That is not to say that particularly egregious material should go unanswered/allowed to stand. There is also the option of reporting transgressions via the triangle <!> exclamation point icon found at the bottom left of each post.

    We are asked to be self-moderating; therefore, your sincerity in keeping OCDO focused and viable is appreciated. Conversely though, wouldn't this be a boring place if only the choir sang approved songs while patting each other on the back in a syncopated display of our beliefs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    The Official Police Report has not changed since it was released on that Saturday... We know what happened to those kids...



    Take that BS somewhere else.. It has not place on this forum...
    There has been no "official police report" .. the state police, agencies, and local gov'ts have been ordered to keep lips shut...regarding ANY records...

    And no, I don't know what happened to the kids or the shooter ... I am looking for facts.

    IK should answer why the state is still refusing to provide records .... the state, back in March, already said no criminal charges will be filed in respect to the incident (as noted in court filed responses to motions).

    Soon, we'll start hearing: oh, we lost those records....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    And I may still object....
    I have no idea WHAT you are objecting to ... a person trying to collect facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    There has been no "official police report" .. the state police, agencies, and local gov'ts have been ordered to keep lips shut...regarding ANY records....
    While the complete report has yet to be published, the status report/briefing given on December 16th stated that the gunman used the AR15 and also had a 10mm Glock and 9mm Sig on him, the shotgun was found in the car, and that the news stations and social media were full of crap. None of this information has been contradicted since from any credible source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    While the complete report has yet to be published, the status report/briefing given on December 16th stated that the gunman used the AR15 and also had a 10mm Glock and 9mm Sig on him, the shotgun was found in the car, and that the news stations and social media were full of crap. None of this information has been contradicted since from any credible source.
    Of course, you and I would think that a credible source would be from an official source ... but these have their lips sealed. Why? Could it be that what they have been telling us is not the complete truth?

    And yes, I saw that briefing .. of course, there have been numerous back tracking on numerous briefings that public officials have made ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Of course, you and I would think that a credible source would be from an official source ... but these have their lips sealed. Why? Could it be that what they have been telling us is not the complete truth?

    And yes, I saw that briefing .. of course, there have been numerous back tracking on numerous briefings that public officials have made ..
    That briefing has been the final word up to this point. Other than to feed peoples' morbid curiosity, to feed propaganda or to justify conspiracy theories, there has been no reason to leak any further information out until the official report is released. Reportedly, it is complete and awaiting approval by the Attorney General's office. It is not like there is a prosecution awaiting evidence. Anyone with personal culpability has been dead nearly a year now. The motivation to keep quiet has much credibility. Because so much BS was spread, they wish to get all of the small details "right". It is not uncommon for an investigation to take this long. Some criminal trials to not occur until a year or more after the crime was committed and no such trial is pending, so there is no pressure to publish anything prematurely.

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