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    Casino's

    In East Wenatchee there is a Buzz-in that is also a Casino.
    On the entrance to the Casino part there is a sign saying " No Firearms On These Premises"
    On the same sign it quote RCW 9.41.300 (D)
    The RCW is for 21 and over. You can go into the casino and gamble if you are 18.
    They are using this sign to mislead people that they cannot carry concealed.
    I have searched the RCW's and can find nothing about firearms in casino's as I figured I would not.
    I want to send a letter to get the sign removed but I not sure who to send it to.
    I am also not sure what to say in the letter. I know there are better letter writers on here than me,
    so can someone help me out.

    Thanks
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    Just don't eat there.

    I can find no law prohibiting carry in a casino. It's up to each business to make their policies however misleading the public should be against law.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    For many states, it's against having commission rules to allow firearms on the premises. I work for a NY casino as a guard, they will not how me as an armed officer because of the gaming commission rules. YMMV.

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    Because tribes possess*tribal sovereignty, even though it is limited, laws on tribal lands vary from the surrounding area.

    If the casino is on tribal lands, as I think most in Washington are, they can make and enforce their own laws. I would be careful carrying on indian casinos.

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    If the casino is designated off limits to those under 21 by the Liquor Control Board, then carry is illegal. I don't think that includes just bars - I think it includes ANY place designated as off limits to those under 21.

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    Thanks for the input

    It is not on Tribal land. It says no one under 18 allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGunMan View Post
    It is not on Tribal land. It says no one under 18 allowed.
    You cannot be charged with 9.41.300 if it is not designated by the WLCB to be off limits to those under 21.

    you can however be charged with criminal trespass if you enter or remail unlawfully on a premises. since it's a private business I wouldn't bother with writing letters. you can try carrying there anyway but if anyone asks you to leave for any reason be right out the door.
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    If they are citing 9.41.300 (D), aren't they basically stating that the entire building is 21+ only? If they let in 18-20 year olds, they'd be the ones in violation...

    So why not report them for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post

    you can however be charged with criminal trespass if you enter or remail unlawfully on a premises. since it's a private business I wouldn't bother with writing letters. you can try carrying there anyway but if anyone asks you to leave for any reason be right out the door.
    That is IF they ask you to leave or to not carry there.
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    I carry at the Yakama Nation Legends Casino everytime I go there. Most of the time, but not all the time concealed. I've gone there with a 92 hanging out, security doesn't even look twice. There's no signs about weapons. I figure they know being it's Yakima County one out of every three or four customers has a gun anyway, and that's a lot of business they'd turn away.
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    lucky eagle casino

    My buddy is a security officer at the lucky eagle casino. He is an OC'er but told me that it is a federal crime to carry a firearm into any part of the casino. I do not have anyway to cite this. Just somethig I was told. Entering a reservation is like entering another country. They can pretty much make up their own rules.
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    I don't recall any casinos allowing carry ... losing gamblers can get a little pissed off...

    People should be able to carry in any place the public owns or is invited to enter.

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    First off, Do not write or talk to them about removing the signage, they have every right to post it and will only make you look silly and ignorant.

    Asking a Security Officer a Legal Question is like asking a Barista in a bikini to do brain surgery, don't do it.

    I would not assume that an Indian Casino is not on Reservation Land and a prime example is the Reservation of the Yakama Nation encompasses parts of Wapato and Toppenish which is governed by their respective city councils and not the tribe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    First off, Do not write or talk to them about removing the signage, they have every right to post it and will only make you look silly and ignorant.

    Asking a Security Officer a Legal Question is like asking a Barista in a bikini to do brain surgery, don't do it.
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    I agree ... but if you do, be as drunk and loud as you can. Why not? They'll be talking about the encounter for years.

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    Is the casino off-limit to those under 21 at any point during the day? NO, carry on.

    If they are using the Liquor Control Board sign as a deterrent then the LCB would like to know and correct the issue.

    The casino does not fall under federal rules for weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Barista in a bikini
    Please cite, including pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    Please cite, including pics.
    I stopped by a few of those places.....butter faces for the most part.....
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
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    Are you a shut in our to nervous to look for yourself? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    If it is not on Tribal land, then how are they legally operating a casino?
    It probably has something to do with the fact that casinos are legal in Washington state.

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    Look and see who the "partners" are. Tribal land doesn't necessarily mean on the reservation.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Interesting. Then why have the only large commercial casino's I've seen been on tribal lands?
    The tribal ones are older, richer, they have access to generally cheaper land and the tax rate is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    If it is not on Tribal land, then how are they legally operating a casino?
    Goldie's Shorline Casino
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    A casino I used to go to all the time when I lived in Seattle. Nothing to do with this, but a casino, in Seattle, not tribal.

    [edit: the link seems to be bad, but I called the number and the casino is still there.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't recall any casinos allowing carry ... losing gamblers can get a little pissed off...

    People should be able to carry in any place the public owns or is invited to enter.
    Nowhere "allows" carry. If it's not "disallowed," it's allowed.

    "Everything which is not forbidden is allowed" longtime part of Anglo-American common law.

    That being said, I can understand some casino's disallowing carry. However, Legends Casino (Yakama Nation) doesn't. Considering the city of Toppenish's saying is "where the west still lives" and there's a big cowboy and Indian theme, no one here is afraid of lawfully carried guns. From my knowledge there hasn't been any incidents in the casino lately, I think there's been a couple in the (huge) parking lot in the past half decade but those have involved the type of people who don't obey door signs anyway. That's back to the old "gun control only affects people who obey the law" argument, and over here, they know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 509rifas View Post
    I figure they know being it's Yakima County one out of every three or four customers has a gun anyway, and that's a lot of business they'd turn away.
    Considering how many gang members there are in Yakima County, your estimate of those who are packing might be low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Considering how many gang members there are in Yakima County, your estimate of those who are packing might be low.
    Yes, but do the gang members frequent the casinos? Probably not. He's talking about casino customers.

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