Grim_Night
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Everything that happened has been recorded.
So my first class today was at 10am. I got to school early as I normally do and camped out in the student services center so I could sit down and relax while doing some class work on my laptop. I had some signs made up this weekend to help inform the students that there is a rule in the policies and procedures that was in violation of state law regarding firearms and the carrying and possession thereof on campus.
Well it seems that security was getting complaints because the message I was trying to share involved guns. A campus security officer came to talk to me about my signs and told me that it was against the rules for me to post anything on school property without permission and that soliciting was also against the rules. Mind you, my 2 signs were taped to a chair with office scotch tape and I wasn't asking for anything from anybody nor was I giving anything out. I was simply sharing information.
About 9:30am I started packing my stuff up so I could go to class. While I was packing my stuff in my bags, the acting VP came up to me with the same security guard and told me I needed to remove my signs (which I was already in the process of doing) and that I was breaking the rules. I explained to him that I was simply exercising my 1st amendment rights of free speech in a publicly accessible area to inform people about their 2nd amendment rights and state law as it pertained to being a student at CPTC. He actually tried telling me that I didn't have permission to talk to anybody about what I was talking to people about.
He ended up telling me flat out that he was not going to argue with me about the subject and that I had already been disciplined twice before about the firearms issue and a 3rd violation would land me in even more trouble. He then walked around front me from my left side (I was sitting down) to my right side. He looked at my right hip and saw that my shirt had ridden up a little bit and had exposed the butt of my pistol. He then called out to the security guard and said that I was exposing my weapon and to call the police.
He also called somebody and then made the decision to clear the building of everybody then locked all the doors. The Lakewood PD showed up (6 officers mind you) and the officer in charge came over right away in a totally nonthreatening way to hear my side of the story and see what was going on. I explained to the officer what had transpired. He asked if I had a valid CPL and I told him that I did and as I was actually carrying concealed at the time, I said I would show it to him. He looked at it briefly then gave it back without even running any information. H thanked me for my time then went to talk with the acting VP.
A little while later, he came back and said flat out that he was not at all interested in violating my rights and he was going to contact the city attorney to make sure of some facts. He walked away again then came back a short time later. He said "I don't know what the school is going to do to you administratively but we're not going to do anything at all and you're free to go. We have bad guys to go catch and you're obviously not a bad guy. Have a nice day." Then him and the remaining 2-3 officers left with no further issues.
I immediately loaded my backpack onto my shoulder then headed over to the school administration building to lodge a formal complaint about the actions of the acting VP.
As of right now, I am simply waiting for a phone call and if I do not receive one, I will be making another visit to the president's office of the school.
Edit: sorry for the long post but I really wanted to get all the major details down before I forgot anything.
So my first class today was at 10am. I got to school early as I normally do and camped out in the student services center so I could sit down and relax while doing some class work on my laptop. I had some signs made up this weekend to help inform the students that there is a rule in the policies and procedures that was in violation of state law regarding firearms and the carrying and possession thereof on campus.
Well it seems that security was getting complaints because the message I was trying to share involved guns. A campus security officer came to talk to me about my signs and told me that it was against the rules for me to post anything on school property without permission and that soliciting was also against the rules. Mind you, my 2 signs were taped to a chair with office scotch tape and I wasn't asking for anything from anybody nor was I giving anything out. I was simply sharing information.
About 9:30am I started packing my stuff up so I could go to class. While I was packing my stuff in my bags, the acting VP came up to me with the same security guard and told me I needed to remove my signs (which I was already in the process of doing) and that I was breaking the rules. I explained to him that I was simply exercising my 1st amendment rights of free speech in a publicly accessible area to inform people about their 2nd amendment rights and state law as it pertained to being a student at CPTC. He actually tried telling me that I didn't have permission to talk to anybody about what I was talking to people about.
He ended up telling me flat out that he was not going to argue with me about the subject and that I had already been disciplined twice before about the firearms issue and a 3rd violation would land me in even more trouble. He then walked around front me from my left side (I was sitting down) to my right side. He looked at my right hip and saw that my shirt had ridden up a little bit and had exposed the butt of my pistol. He then called out to the security guard and said that I was exposing my weapon and to call the police.
He also called somebody and then made the decision to clear the building of everybody then locked all the doors. The Lakewood PD showed up (6 officers mind you) and the officer in charge came over right away in a totally nonthreatening way to hear my side of the story and see what was going on. I explained to the officer what had transpired. He asked if I had a valid CPL and I told him that I did and as I was actually carrying concealed at the time, I said I would show it to him. He looked at it briefly then gave it back without even running any information. H thanked me for my time then went to talk with the acting VP.
A little while later, he came back and said flat out that he was not at all interested in violating my rights and he was going to contact the city attorney to make sure of some facts. He walked away again then came back a short time later. He said "I don't know what the school is going to do to you administratively but we're not going to do anything at all and you're free to go. We have bad guys to go catch and you're obviously not a bad guy. Have a nice day." Then him and the remaining 2-3 officers left with no further issues.
I immediately loaded my backpack onto my shoulder then headed over to the school administration building to lodge a formal complaint about the actions of the acting VP.
As of right now, I am simply waiting for a phone call and if I do not receive one, I will be making another visit to the president's office of the school.
Edit: sorry for the long post but I really wanted to get all the major details down before I forgot anything.
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