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    Let's see how gun control is working for us

    These are some headlines and snippets from articles from the past few days, mostly from Sydney and Melbourne. This is just a snippet of what goes on.

    Girl, 13, shot after bullets are shot into Sydney house.

    Woman slain in Melbourne as her children slept.

    One dead, one injured after double shooting in Sydney.

    Three Melbourne businesses shot at overnight.

    Homicide detectives charge a man with murder following a fatal shooting at Pendle Hill.

    WA man charged with boys gun-cleaning death.

    Man arrives at hospital with gunshot wound - Liverpool

    Man charged with murder over fatal assault - Sydney CBD

    Six firearms stolen during home invasion. This is becoming more common.

    Police appeal following shooting and assault near Kempsey.

    Shots fired - Riverwood.

    Queensland police may start routinely carrying automatic rifles.

    Inquiries continue after shots fired at Rouse Hill house.

    Man shot - Winston Hills.

    Man robbed and assaulted by three people with knives and a firearm.


    Police assaulted by men - Sydney.

    Man seriously assaulted - Sydney.

    Man stabbed multiple times outside convenience store - Surry Hills.

    Man attacked with a fence paling in random attack - Sydney.

    74-year-old robbed in home invasion - Sydney's south-west.

    7/11 armed robbery - Doonside.

    Firearms seized in police raid - Belmont.

    Teen assaulted with machete - Blacktown.

    14-year-old girl robbed with a handgun.

    Man assaults woman with a machete - Bar Beach.

    33-year-old man beaten to death - Young.

    Three charged over kidnap, assault - Urunga.

    58-year-old charged over arson attack.

    Melbourne's armed train station security are eight times more likely to be assaulted than police officers, study shows.

    Man stabbed to death in Newcastle.

    Biker charged for threatening woman with a firearm.

    Man charged over home invasion - Bondi.

    Man shot in the stomach - Sydney.

    Houses shot at in Sydney's west.

    Teenager charged after $154,000 crime spree.

    Man shot in the ankle - Punchbowl.

    Man charged after 15 firearms stolen during home invasion.

    Man charged after a fatal shooting at Lavington.

    Homicide detectives charge two men over fatal shooting earlier this year.

    Man arrested following fatal shooting near Albury.

    Triple stabbing - Sydney.

    Police officers receiving death threats sparks new fears of bikie retaliation.

    Man beaten during home invasion.

    Taxi driver robbed and assaulted - Port Noarlunga.

    Three armed robberies - Brisbane south district.

    Armed robbery - Merinda Park train station.

    Melbourne detectives are investigating a shooting at North Fitzroy.


    A few key ones from last month.

    Melbourne murders up 16%.

    Melbourne teenager shot in the head walking to school. Luckily he survived.

    Melbourne man charged with murder after woman shot dead.

    Two Melbourne shootings are connected, police say.

    Melbourne police officer 'feared for life' before shooting.

    Melbourne police officer cleared after shooting dead a knife-wielding man. The one above is not connected. Two separate shootings.

    Sydney fruit shop assistant shot dead during botched armed robbery.

    Police officer shoots two armed robbers after being shot in the face.

    Man sentenced to 16 years in jail for the murder of a Queensland detective during a shootout in 2011. He had over other convictions for violent offenses. Ridiculous.

    Police shoot man dead after machete attack that leaves two others dead.

    Melbourne house shot at three times in one day.

    Man charged for his involvement in a shootout with police that left one officer dead has had his sentence doubled. - Sydney.

    Sydney garage riddled with bullets.

    A Melbourne factory and nearby cars were sprayed with more than 100 bullets in the city's north-east overnight. That was from September or so but I thought it was notable.

    Sydney man charged over non-fatal park shooting.

    Man charged over two non-fatal shootings.

    Sydney man charged for shooting at rats.

    Woman abducted at gunpoint/shot - NSW.

    Missing Western Australian woman presumed murdered.

    Melbourne dubbed 'stab city'.

    Body found in river is suspicious, police say.

    Man shot in the head in Melbourne's north.

    Assaults continue to rise on Melbourne's public transport.

    Man shot in the face in Melbourne's western suburbs survives.

    Melbourne police hunt man over shooting.

    18-year-old Perth man stabbed to death in street.

    Public warned not to approach suspected shooter.

    Police seek man over Budgewoi shooting.

    Three houses shot at after Canberra gang feud.

    Over 700 police in Melbourne raid Hells Angels properties.

    The ones above date back to mid-October. Nearly all of them are stories from Melbourne and Sydney, and are only a snippet of what goes on. I have no idea about other states but I assume they are in the same situation.

    A shop I frequent was also robbed twice yesterday. Yeah, things are just great....
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    More BS.

    Neighbours in Cairns may face charges after restraining a man in a domestic dispute who later died in hospital.

    POLICE have not ruled out charging four men who intervened in a domestic dispute, restraining a man who later died in hospital.

    An internal police probe is also under way as the 38-year-old's death is being considered a death in custody.

    The deceased man was held down by residents outside his Cairns home as they attempted to intervene when he allegedly attacked two women on Saturday night.

    Police officers tried to revive the man, but he was pronounced dead in Cairns Base Hospital.

    A male neighbour, who asked not to be named, said yesterday his wife watched the events from their driveway about 100m away.

    He said his wife saw a woman and two young children leave the house followed by the man, thought to be her partner, who was yelling at her.

    A male neighbour then intervened and tried to restrain the man before three other men went to his aid.

    Another neighbour, who did not wish to be named, said she was shocked by the incident as the street was normally "very quiet".

    Far North police Det Insp Bruno Asnicar said police could not rule out charges.

    "It's an investigation," he said. "There're always *possible charges as a result of an investigation."

    "It's just so early in the investigation that certainly no decisions have been made about any charges at this point.

    "We've had a large number of people assisting us on the night and that was very encouraging."

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    Stab City


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    So much for the safest city in Australia.


    Random crimes from today, haven't seen any shootings, just firearms being used in robberies. But the night is still young.


    Melbourne man charged with attempted murder of wife, 4 children, after house fire. Ironically, the house had security bars on the windows so they couldn't get out until firefighters arrived.

    Train station assaults and thefts up despite PSOs Armed station guards who patrol train stations in Melbourne.

    Detectives from the Darebin Criminal Investigation Unit are appealing for witnesses following an armed robbery at a milk bar in Thornbury today.

    $1.5 million of cannabis seized near Coffs Harbour. Very common.

    Men storm hotel with firearms and knives - Kingsgrove.

    Man in serious condition following an aggravated break and enter, near Kempsey. In other words a home invasion.

    52-year-old woman knocked unconscious during robbery - Rosemeadow.

    Arsonists torch playground.

    18-year-old to stand trial for murder, two counts of attempted murder.

    Perth man Bradley Auckram to be jailed for shooting stepson.

    Latest shooting victim's family silenced by the terror of guns.
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    Got some wild blokes out there eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattinWA View Post
    Got some wild blokes out there eh?
    Yep. Guess they don't care about the two week waiting period required to buy a gun.

    Turns out there were some shootings last night.

    Two men in hospital after being blasted with shotguns during Sydney drive by shooting.

    Shots fired into house - Bringelly.

    6 Brothers 4 Life members arrested for 2012 shooting that left 1 man dead and two others injured.

    Surprising there were so few last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW98 View Post
    Yep. Guess they don't care about the two week waiting period required to buy a gun.

    Turns out there were some shootings last night.

    Two men in hospital after being blasted with shotguns during Sydney drive by shooting.

    Shots fired into house - Bringelly.

    6 Brothers 4 Life members arrested for 2012 shooting that left 1 man dead and two others injured.

    Surprising there were so few last night.
    Must have been an Oliva Newton-John concert going on ... lol ... whereby lowering the crime rate that day..

    2 week waiting period? What, they waiting for parts in the production of their gun?

    Hey, can you guys get 80% lower receivers down under? And then get completed uppers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Must have been an Oliva Newton-John concert going on ... lol ... whereby lowering the crime rate that day..
    The suicide rate must have soared.

    2 week waiting period? What, they waiting for parts in the production of their gun?
    It varies state to state. Queensland is the worst, it usually takes months to get a license there. They think of it a cooling period off I guess. The thing is, if one is intent to kill someone else they won't be waiting for a gun license.

    Hey, can you guys get 80% lower receivers down under? And then get completed uppers?
    I'm not positive but I think so. I assume the Third Reich has to sign off on it though.
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    Statistics show you're more than 3 times more likely than to get shot in South Australia than in New South Wales, which is in the middle of a gang war. I don't follow the news from other states, apart from the odd story from Sydney. Lot of shootings happening for a supposedly gun crime free country.


    A man who was bashed, locked in a car boot and burned alive for drinking his friend's beer wasn't supposed to die, a Darwin court has heard.

    'I'm scared': dead wife's last call to mum.
    It was a plea for help, just two hours before she was allegedly stabbed to death by her "controlling and jealous" husband.


    Man accused of bashing and raping pregnant wife released on bail The baby died. The justice system doing us proud yet again.

    Hundreds rally for action on violence

    Cops found not at fault in fatal Qld siege

    Man critical after Melbourne shooting

    Shots fired into home - Minto

    Man arrested over swingers club shooting

    Man stabbed during violent armed robbery in city's west

    Police hunt gunmen in petrol station robbery

    $600,000 of cannabis, firearms seized from home

    Man shot in the legs - Aurburn

    Elderly couple brutally bashed in home invasion

    Elderly woman assaulted in robbery

    Knife held to woman's throat during armed robbery - Redfern

    Shots fired during liquor store robbery

    Man shot in the leg during police arrest

    Semi-automatic rifles seized in police raid

    Man charged with murder after woman stabbed, set alight

    A dozen people arrested after train brawl

    Man charged over domestic stabbing

    Man charged after police pursuit

    Men charged after handguns found during traffic stop

    Man charged with attempted murder of girlfriend

    Man charged over Bankstown shooting

    Couple assaulted during home invasion - Penrith

    Man charged after woman stabbed to death

    Man with handgun robs service station - Bomaderry

    Police link gun to second drive-by shooting attack

    Woman sustains life-threatening injuries after stabbing - Kingsford

    Two charged over home invasion - Coffs Harbour

    Man charged with murder - Grafton

    Police officer run over in hit and run in Melbourne's west

    Melbourne woman in critical condition after being brutally beaten in Melbourne home

    Men arrested after 3 armed robberies

    Man charged over 1983 schoolgirl murder

    5 taxi drivers in hospital after serious assaults

    Mafia linked to cop killing

    Detectives investigate disappearance and suspected murder of woman

    Man charged after shots fired into home

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    Firearms seized following shooting at Schofields

    27-year-old woman sexually assaulted while walking home

    Melbourne man arrested over child sexual assaults

    Elderly man and woman critical after stabbing attack

    Axe attack leaves two in hospital with serious injuries

    Bashing victim dies in hosptial

    Man jailed over Cape Barron shooting

    Man in hospital following Thornbury shooting

    Today:

    Woman found stabbed to death in Melbourne's south-east
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    Sorry to hear a once great and "free" country has fallen so far in respect to allowing citizens the right of self protection. You're always welcome here in AZ mate! Our laws value the freedom to use the best tools available to defend ones life...firearms.

    ETA - our laws (Constitutional carry) allow any law-abiding person (non U.S. persons too) to carry a firearm for protection.
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    Crime control always as just been an excuse for gun control.

    Less guns more crime, more guns less crime.

    Gun control is always about people control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeInAZ View Post
    Sorry to hear a once great and "free" country has fallen so far in respect to allowing citizens the right of self protection. You're always welcome here in AZ mate! Our laws value the freedom to use the best tools available to defend ones life...firearms.

    ETA - our laws (Constitutional carry) allow any law-abiding person (non U.S. persons too) to carry a firearm for protection.
    It must be nice. Sadly, I can't remember a time when it was great here. I was young when the firearms laws changed so I missed it all. Now I just have to listen to stories of the old days when semi-automatic rifles did not require a special license, no mag restrictions, genuine reasons or 28 day waiting periods. Hell, you could have a gatling gun if you wanted.

    Thanks for the offer. I may very well visit sometime. It would be quite an experience to carry a gun for self-defense. We can't even carry OC spray here.

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    Maybe if she had the means to defend herself the outcome would have been different.

    Woman brutally murdered in Brisbane CBD

    Police believe a shirtless man seen in Brisbane’s CBD may be linked to the bashing murder of a young woman whose body was found in a city park on Sunday morning.

    Eunji Ban, a 23-year-old Korean national who worked as a cleaner, was found with severe head injuries in Wickham Park, off Albert Street, in the CBD about 4.30am on Sunday.

    Ms Ban arrived in Australia just six weeks ago as part of a youth exchange program.

    Detectives are yet to determine a motive for the killing because there is no evidence to suggest she was sexually assaulted or robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW98 View Post
    Maybe if she had the means to defend herself the outcome would have been different.

    Woman brutally murdered in Brisbane CBD
    Maybe she supported gun control too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW98 View Post
    It must be nice. Sadly, I can't remember a time when it was great here. I was young when the firearms laws changed so I missed it all. Now I just have to listen to stories of the old days when semi-automatic rifles did not require a special license, no mag restrictions, genuine reasons or 28 day waiting periods. Hell, you could have a gatling gun if you wanted.

    Thanks for the offer. I may very well visit sometime. It would be quite an experience to carry a gun for self-defense. We can't even carry OC spray here.
    I'll go ahead and 2nd (pun) what FreeInAZ said. If you're ever wishing to get away and come to the states, AZ welcomes you with Open Arms:



    I'm in the southern (more left-leaning) part of AZ, but even then it's still pretty good. A visit from you might even start talk of an OC dinner in the area.
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    Back from holidays, thanks to all. If I get the chance to go to AZ I definitely will let you know.

    davidmcbeth, they arrested someone for the murder, not much comfort for the family, though.

    If everything was so safe things like this wouldn't happen daily:

    Queensland police seize 328 firearms after property raided.

    Three men have been charged after more than 300 guns and four tonnes of ammunition were seized in central Queensland.

    On Monday, police raided a property at Moonford, near Monto, and found a huge cache of military style weapons and handguns.

    “This is certainly one of the largest hauls of firearms, ammunition and weapons we have uncovered,” Detective Superintendent Jon Wacker said.

    “This is a very significant result for us and we thank our policing partners and the assistance provided by the agencies who have assisted us with this operation."

    The search was carried out by detectives from the Drug and Serious Crime Group's Firearms Investigation Team along with detectives from the Central Region.

    Representatives and investigators from the Australian Federal Police and Queensland Police Service Operations Support Command, Stock and Rural Crime Investigation Squad and Wide Bay Burnett policing district provided assistance in searching the property and identifying and categorising the seized firearms.

    Three local men aged 42, 46 and 69 were charged with one count of unlawfully possessing more than 10 weapons including Category C, D and R weapons.

    The men, believed to be a father and his two sons, are expected to appear in the Biloela Magistrates Court on December 18.

    Investigations are ongoing with the assistance of the Australian Crime Commission, Customs and Border Protection and AFP
    This was an interesting one. Goes to show that 'restricted' firearms are still out there. For those that don't know, Category C are semi-automatic rimfire rifles and shotguns, Category D is semi-automatic centerfire. Both are legal but require the necessary licenses. R means restricted (fully automatic etc.)

    Man beaten to death outside Gold Coast nightclub

    Traffic stop uncovers explosives, guns, drugs in Melbourne's north

    16-year-old boy shot in driveway

    Police shoot man after shotgun discharged during traffic stop

    Men escape injury after targeted shooting

    One dead, one critical after double stabbing

    Man arrested over shooting, ram raid

    Police prob gang link in Sydney shooting

    Sex offender found murdered in Adelaide home

    Two dead after Sydney murder-suicide

    Man charged with murder after woman's body found

    Man charged with attempted murder after shooting

    Man found murdered - Monash

    Bodies of husband, wife found at Gold Coast home in suspected murder-suicide

    Man sentenced to 33 years jail for double axe murder

    Man arrested over school teacher murder

    Justin Bieber arrives in Sydney

    Police investigate shooting - Smithfield
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    Good thread.

    Is it required to have a license for home defense weapons, firearms? (never leave the house).

    If so, do they have a way of checking?

    If no way to check then maybe BGs are robbing houses to get (illegal?) guns.

    How do -you- think the BGs are getting guns, shotguns?

    Are the police in OZ armed? With what? Handguns, shotguns only?

    Do you have SWAT teams? Warrent-less intrusions?

    I have some good friends in OZ who do claim gun control works, so trying to understand.

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    I have to say 800 for the whole country for murders by firearm is 800/25,000,000 - that's 0.000032 or 0.0032% <---extremely small. Of course firearms used in commission of a felony would be a better number to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9 View Post
    Good thread.

    Is it required to have a license for home defense weapons, firearms? (never leave the house).

    If so, do they have a way of checking?

    If no way to check then maybe BGs are robbing houses to get (illegal?) guns.

    How do -you- think the BGs are getting guns, shotguns?

    Are the police in OZ armed? With what? Handguns, shotguns only?

    Do you have SWAT teams? Warrent-less intrusions?

    I have some good friends in OZ who do claim gun control works, so trying to understand.

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    I have to say 800 for the whole country for murders by firearm is 800/25,000,000 - that's 0.000032 or 0.0032% <---extremely small. Of course firearms used in commission of a felony would be a better number to look at.

    TIA
    You need a license to own any firearm (including air rifles). In my state it takes around 3 to 5 weeks to get a license. Shotguns and rifles are pretty easy to get, handguns are a lot harder.

    Self-defense with a firearm is a very grey area here. If you were to shoot an intruder you would be in months to years of legal hell. They expect us to call the police.

    Checking that you have a license or if it leaves the home? You have to show your license and pre-order which gun you want at the gun shop. You can't just go in and walk out with one the same day. It takes 28 days usually. Sometimes it can be less but I wouldn't bank on it. When you first get a gun license the police will come and inspect your safe to make sure it's up to standard. If not, application denied. They usually check on people every 5 years or so but I've heard of many people who have never been checked.

    The New South Wales firearms registry was recently leaked, which is why gun owners are being home invaded for their firearms.

    All police in Australia are armed with handguns, typically Glocks or S&W's. They can usually choose which they'd prefer. Detectives can carry shotguns for operations if they feel it's necessary. I've heard of patrol officers carrying shotguns in some areas but it's not common. Police in Queensland want to start carrying fully-automatic rifles in their cars and at home.

    We have tactical teams, same thing. There are different types, though. You have the typical American-looking SWAT guys, then you have response units who carry semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and sidearms.

    Regular officers aren't expected to deal with offenders with guns, or even knives in some cases unless they have no other option. That's why police murders are somewhat rare. Some years we might not have any police murdered. The catch with that is, if you die from a past injury that you received then you likely won't be counted as a police death. Friend of a friend died from complications after having his throat cut years ago; not counted on the memorial board.

    Where do your friends live? My city is nice but there are a lot of places I wouldn't go.



    I don't think there are 800 firearm murders, probably around 300 to 400. It might not sound like many but when you consider we only have 23 million people, a lot less illegal guns, different culture etc. it is.

    For instance, Japan, with over 126 million people, only has around 400 or so murders a year. That's if you believe the statistics, that is. I do believe that their cultural differences have greatly benefited them. Australia has a major societal problem which a lot of developed nations don't have. Another reason is that we don't have the gang culture that the U.S. has. If we had a population of 300 million it would be a different story and everything would probably resemble Mad Max. Regardless, we still have a lot of firearm crime. Shootings are a daily occurrence. So are armed robberies, rapes, armed robberies and so on.

    If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

    Update from my state: A MAN has been charged after he allegedly fired shots at police during a two-hour siege on Victoria's Mornington Peninsula.

    Seems to be working well for everyone.
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    A man has been arrested after three people were stabbed at a mosque in Dallas (Melbourne) this morning.

    Police were called to an altercation involving four people at the property on King Street shortly before 11am.

    Three men were stabbed during the incident and one of those men has since died. One man is in a critical condition and one is in a stable condition, and both have been conveyed to hospital.

    The Critical Incident Response Team attended and arrested the fourth man.

    The Homicide Squad is currently en route to the scene.
    Apparently the man was 'agitated'.


    Man charged with murder after woman's body discovered in home

    Police are investigating a shooting in Greenfield Park

    Police are investigating a drive-by shooting in Smithfield last night

    Man arrested over Sydney shooting

    Three men arrested over home invasions, armed robberies

    'Targeted' shooting in Sydney's west

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    Apparently crime is down in NSW, according to the police anyway.

    There were significant decreases in 8 of the 17 crime categories:

    - Assault-non domestic related (down 3.8 per cent),

    - robbery without a weapon (down 8.0 per cent),

    - break and enter dwelling (down 6.7 per cent),

    - break and enter non-dwelling (down 7.7 per cent),

    - motor vehicle theft (down 11.2 per cent),

    - steal from motor vehicle (down 3.9 per cent),

    - steal from person (down 10.8 per cent)

    - and malicious damage to property (down 6.4 per cent)


    They fail to mention rape, sexual assault or murder, though.

    "Shooting offences have remained stable when measured across the two, five and ten year periods up to 2013." In other words, no real change there.

    They also mentioned that firearm safe storage inspections have turned up positive. I'm glad they mentioned that, but while we are complying by the law, the criminals are not.

    I also noticed a lot of comments from the public saying that the statistics are falsified, and people are saying police aren't taking reports when they report a crime, therefore making the figures look good. Not sure about that one.


    19-year-old man charged with murder following fatal stabbing

    Police investigate shooting in Sydney's southwest No injuries.

    21-year-old arrested over stabbing death

    Man charged with attempted murder after shooting spear at police

    Man arrested following string of home invasions

    Police search continues for missing Sydney schoolgirls

    Body-in-the-boot accused found guilty

    Police release CCTV footage in investigation into fatal shooting

    Melbourne serial killer sentenced over schoolgirl murder

    Man jailed for vigilante murder

    Halloween death: husband to stand trial for murder

    Bail for man accused of shooting disapproving bikie dad

    Man critical after serious assault in Melbourne's west

    Shots fired into home - Bringelly

    Patrons terrorized as gun-wielding men hold up popular restaurant

    67 firearms seized in Sydney police raid
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    Thanks for the post DW. it points out a lot of things we know in the US. if you disarm the honest citizens then the dishonest ones will be the ones to attack. one of the big arguments we hear in the states is how good it is of Australia to dis arm their citizens. hopefully a totalitarian government will, thanks to Australia's following of Darwinism.

    one thing i might suggest is also the following of acts of self defense. even though there are not a lot of armed citizens. there should be some
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    DW it is sad how your politicians have striped you of your rights.

    FYI a black powder shotgun can be made from plumbing pipe. Black powder can be made at home. And I assume there are no restrictions on shovels.

    No suggestions of breaking the law, just giving you some information.
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    No worries.

    Something you might not know is that it's illegal to defend yourself with a firearm except in extreme circumstances. If I shot a burglar armed with a machete I'd probably end up in prison. Even if he had a gun he would probably have to fire first for me to be able to shoot back. You are expected to dial 000 (our emergency number) and wait for the police to arrive. I've heard of about 10 to 15 fatal shootings by Australian home owners from the past 10 years or so and all of them have had their guns confiscated (at least until after the trial). I'm pretty sure a few ended up in prison as well. So basically there aren't many self-defense stories around at all. I always seem to be reading about the victims.

    Self-defense in general is a grey area here. You can't carry anything to defend yourself with, not even pepper spray.

    This is taken from my states police website regarding pepper spray.

    Can I carry capsicum or pepper spray to protect myself or for purposes of self defence?

    No. It is not legal to carry any article designed or adapted to discharge an offensive, noxious or irritant liquid, powder, gas or chemical so as to cause disability, incapacity or harm to another person. Capsicum spray, pepper spray or any other similar articles are prohibited weapons and are inappropriate for general possession without a Governor in Council Exemption Order or a Chief Commissioner Approval. Self protection or self defence is not a lawful excuse to be able to possess these articles. Alternative options are to carry personal alarm devices such as whistles or personal protection alarms.


    So you're meant to carry a whistle to prevent getting stabbed, shot or raped? Yeah, that'll do the trick.

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    That is why you should always have a shovel...
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    The patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most reliable soldier on earth.
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