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Poll: Were you ever a "liberal"?

Whatever you call it, liberal, progressive, lefty, etc., were you ever one?

  • Yep. I am now recovering.

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Nope. I loved Liberty from infancy right through until today.

    Votes: 22 81.5%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .

SouthernBoy

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I was a liberal in my youth, though not of the sort we see today. Still yes, I was a liberal until age 24. It took me around four years to complete the metamorphosis. I am a product of the 50's and the 60's so that was not uncommon. I like to say that I was a liberal in my younger days... and then I grew up.

I had a friend back then who was a borderline communist. He even subscribed to "Soviet Life" magazine. Then after college the Army got hiim (don't recall if he was drafted or enlisted) and he was send to Korea in 1968. He told me 15 years ago that he did a 180 within two weeks. Seems reality hit him square in the face when he saw what the "other" side was really like. Now is a solid constitutionalist... like me.
 
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skidmark

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A right-wing conservative is nothing but a Democrat who has been mugged.

Or something like that. Some other guy said it better, but I can't remember the exact words.

All children are liberals until they start to own property - just watch any day care center's play time. Teenagers are the worst - the split between the commie "I don't have my own car yet" group and "But my parents say I have to pay for all the gas, maintenance and taxes on my own" hard-core conservative robber barons.

I'd be more interested in when (how old), where and why you switched to the dark side (besides the fact that we have cookies).

stay safe.
 

OC for ME

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I'm a Liberal, Progressive, thank God. What's the alternative?--a Regressive...no thanks.

It's sad to see this page go down in this sort of flames; this thread is indicative of a deeper issue with the Firearms/Pro-Second Amendment Community. The Community has painted themselves into a corner where even it's few occupants are accused of not being Fringe enough...it's unfortunate. Who will put the breaks on this isolation? The harder you press to the Right, the further you move most Americans away from the Community.

Naturally, these days, these polls have two loaded options.

Eye, it must stick in your craw watching your so-called Liberty Loving ilk slowly sink into the depths of insanity. Me, I'm eating popcorn, and enjoying the flick!
Troll alert. A anti-gun liberal "drives by" and poops out some "pearls of liberal wisdom."

The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronaldus Magnus
BTW, I thought that the troll said goodbye.....oh well, it's free country.
 

Brace

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You guys are so mean. It's hard to see what's accomplished by hurling insults and platitudes.
 

stealthyeliminator

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I'm a Liberal, Progressive, thank God. What's the alternative?--a Regressive...no thanks.
That's a cute play on words, but, societal progress can be politically neutral and certainly isn't exclusive to "progressivism." So to answer the question - no, the alternative is not regression.
 

Gil223

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In re: OP's Poll - in a word, "NO!" (I was born with good sense - although there is a single liberal issue that I may "side with"... one every decade or so). Pax...
 

eye95

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That's a cute play on words, but, societal progress can be politically neutral and certainly isn't exclusive to "progressivism." So to answer the question - no, the alternative is not regression.

The word "progressive" is one with which leftists flatter themselves. Anything that promotes increased Liberty is the true "progress." Anything that increases government control is a regression to what governments were before our Republic.
 

stealthyeliminator

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The word "progressive" is one with which leftists flatter themselves. Anything that promotes increased Liberty is the true "progress." Anything that increases government control is a regression to what governments were before our Republic.
Bingo, I agree

Unfortunately for them, this means that the "liberals" (along with the conservatives, to be fair) are quite often regressive as opposed to progressive.

Not that I really needed to point that out...
 

sudden valley gunner

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The word "progressive" is one with which leftists flatter themselves. Anything that promotes increased Liberty is the true "progress." Anything that increases government control is a regression to what governments were before our Republic.


Yep, I just read the works of Bastiat and he uses the word progressive quite a few times to mean progressing toward liberty, he also uses the word liberal in the true sense, meaning more free.
 

BrianB

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I've never been a liberal but I used to think I was a Republican. When I was young and stupid I thought you were either a Democrat or a Republican. I definitely didn't like the wealth re-distribution, anti-gun, criminal coddling Democrats, but plenty of things about the Republicans irritated the crap out of me as well (as they do even more so today).

Eventually I found out about Libertarianism. A few years back I finally bit the bullet and switched my registered party to Libertarian. Since Florida has closed primaries that means I basically don't get to vote in primary elections, but it just made me ill to have that "R" on my card.

In my experience, most Republicans that I know say they are for small government, but are either lying or kidding themselves. They are for small government when it comes to messing with them and the things they feel strongly about, but very much for big government when it comes to messing with the people who they don't like. They'll double back on just about any principle of small government they purport to support if it means an opportunity to have the state enforce their morality. They are all for the 4th amendment until violating it nabs some guy with an ounce of weed in his pocket. They are all for the right to contract and do business without government interference yet are giddy when a big prostitution sting is announced. They are for family and marriage and think the government should stay the heck out of their bedroom and mind their business when it comes to their children, but do a 180 when it comes to same sex couples. They love the first amendment when it protects their religion, but hate it when it protects the Scientologists or is used to defend "pornography".

The Libertarians aren't perfect but they are the party that comes closest to my ideal form of government - one that leaves you the heck alone unless you're violating the rights of another person.

It's funny, because I'm straight (married 26 years), don't use drugs, don't hire prostitutes, etc., but passionately feel people on the other sides of those coins have every right to live their lives as free as I do - as long as they don't hurt anybody.

I think most politicians, and even most voters (liberal and "conservative" alike) have forgotten the purpose of government (or more likely, like me for the longest time, never knew it). I believe it was Vin Suprynowicz that said he likes to ask elected representatives what they believe the purpose of government is. Most of them struggle for an answer and don't even come close - not realizing that the answer is provided for them in a document they should be very familiar with.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. -- Declaration of Independence, 1776

The purpose of government is to secure your rights, among which are (but are not limited to) to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When the government does something, especially if it does something to someone, it would be nice if it bore some resemblance to its purpose of securing those rights - as opposed to stomping all over them.

If you are a Republican and are offended by this, please note that I said "most Republicans that I know" are like the above. I don't likely know you, and you may not be like that at all. If you're a Republican that has an unfaltering commitment to the protection and support of your family, is patriotic, loves personal responsibility, truly favors a small government, and an even smaller Federal government, and believes the government should let people be if they are causing no harm, then the above isn't about you. And you too are probably a Libertarian. :) Take the quiz. You might be surprised.

Thus endeth the sermon. Sorry if I strayed way off topic.
 
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