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    My Box of Ammo

    I sent the VCDL my box of ammo as per the email notice request. Instead of just complaining about MacBloomberg I will do what I can do to fight against him.

    For those who get the VCDL email you will know what I am talking about, and for those who don't I suggest joining VCDL.
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuc65 View Post
    I sent the VCDL my box of ammo as per the email notice request. Instead of just complaining about MacBloomberg I will do what I can do to fight against him.

    For those who get the VCDL email you will know what I am talking about, and for those who don't I suggest joining VCDL.
    Mine goes out in the mail tomorrow. The email made me believe that my concerns expressed here earlier today, about the near future in VA, may be insufficiently grave.

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    I'll get mine to them tomorrow.

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    Not much to say. I'll get out a little more than a box of handloads when I get back in town.

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    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    And for folks who do not know where their checkbook is, and do not want services like PayPal to get a cut, the VCDL-PAC bucket will be at the gun shows.

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    my part

    I donated to cooch, vcdl, scouser, nra and nothing turned out as I had hoped. Ill donate to vcdl again, ill carry and share/educate and conduct myself mannerable and civil. I listen and over hear conversations and statements. I hear far more often the other side speaking of progress and how they have came too far to fall back now. They must continue they say. Well, they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilrobyjohn View Post
    I listen and over hear conversations and statements. I hear far more often the other side speaking of progress and how they have came too far to fall back now. They must continue they say. Well, they did.
    Yes. Because of where I live and the wide connections I have with many people and many kinds of people, I hear the same. And frequently. Not so long ago, it was rare to hear the word 'gun' in public discussions. Now - here in hated NOVA - I hear it often, and only rarely in a positive way. The train is moving and gathering speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuc65 View Post
    I sent the VCDL my box of ammo as per the email notice request. Instead of just complaining about MacBloomberg I will do what I can do to fight against him.

    For those who get the VCDL email you will know what I am talking about, and for those who don't I suggest joining VCDL.
    The above mentioned organization has, in the past, chosen not to strongly support Constitutional Carry. In the just concluded governors race the organizations Political Action Committee chose to endorse a candidate that openly opposed Constitutional Carry. The president of this organization, on Election Day, sent out an e-mail to over 20,000 Virginians that inaccurately portrayed the fund raising of the pro Constitutional Carry candidate. This was a blatant attempt by the president of the organization to try to get Virginia voters to not vote for the pro Constitutional Carry candidate and instead vote for an anti Constitutional Carry candidate.

    If you believe, as I do, that Constitutional Carry is a worthwhile long term vision for gun rights in Virginia, then I respectfully suggest that this organization might not be the right fit for your donations. It certainly isn't the right fit for my political donations.

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    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    The above mentioned organization has, in the past, chosen not to strongly support Constitutional Carry. In the just concluded governors race the organizations Political Action Committee chose to endorse a candidate that openly opposed Constitutional Carry. The president of this organization, on Election Day, sent out an e-mail to over 20,000 Virginians that inaccurately portrayed the fund raising of the pro Constitutional Carry candidate. This was a blatant attempt by the president of the organization to try to get Virginia voters to not vote for the pro Constitutional Carry candidate and instead vote for an anti Constitutional Carry candidate.

    If you believe, as I do, that Constitutional Carry is a worthwhile long term vision for gun rights in Virginia, then I respectfully suggest that this organization might not be the right fit for your donations. It certainly isn't the right fit for my political donations.

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    This is a gross distortion, rash over simplification of the facts, and insult to PVC.

    VCDL very much supports Constitutional Carry - to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    This is a gross distortion, rash over simplification of the facts, and insult to PVC.

    VCDL very much supports Constitutional Carry - to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
    +1. Nuf said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    The above mentioned organization has, in the past, chosen not to strongly support Constitutional Carry. In the just concluded governors race the organizations Political Action Committee chose to endorse a candidate that openly opposed Constitutional Carry. The president of this organization, on Election Day, sent out an e-mail to over 20,000 Virginians that inaccurately portrayed the fund raising of the pro Constitutional Carry candidate. This was a blatant attempt by the president of the organization to try to get Virginia voters to not vote for the pro Constitutional Carry candidate and instead vote for an anti Constitutional Carry candidate.

    If you believe, as I do, that Constitutional Carry is a worthwhile long term vision for gun rights in Virginia, then I respectfully suggest that this organization might not be the right fit for your donations. It certainly isn't the right fit for my political donations.

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    I listened to the libertarian crap all summer and fall, i go to many fairs and festivals where they had booths. I gathered from about everyone one of them that a large concern was legalizing pot...im no pot smoking hippie ill assure you. I told Sarvis to his face that it was the wrong time and too much was on the line. We gain nothing with this crap and stand to lose everything. Ive stood with pvc and ed and I stand today with them. Im a blue collar knuckle buster not a politician, so what do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilrobyjohn View Post
    I gathered from about everyone one of them that a large concern was legalizing pot...im no pot smoking hippie ill assure you. I told Sarvis to his face that it was the wrong time and too much was on the line. We gain nothing with this crap and stand to lose everything. Ive stood with pvc and ed and I stand today with them.
    There can never be a wrong time to limit governmental aggression, or to expand liberty. Especially when other states have already granted their citizens this important liberty, expanding their economic and personal freedom and helping to reduce crime.

    It is a real shame that the two-party duopoly has convinced Americans that they need to pick and choose between liberties, that a gain in one liberty must come at the expense of another, and that infringement of the liberties one does not exercise directly does not in any way influence exercise of the liberties one does wish to engage in.

    It's foolish to think that the War on Drugs (even on marijuana specifically) does not impact our RKBA. The most obvious example is that our right to home defense has been drastically watered down in its efficacy by the proliferation (and legal toleration) of no-knock raids, which all too frequently fall on the innocent (be it thanks to bad evidence or a wrong address). This is nearly wholly a product of the war on drugs, and marijuana is an incredibly common target of these unconstitutional, liberty-destroying and dangerous raids.

    As it happens, an AG in Virginia could probably effectively end this practice overnight. However, our heroically staunch 2A-advocating AG-turned-failed-GOP-candidate-for-Governor has done nothing about this in his term. This being the case, the most practicable way to limit this practice and restore Virginians' security in their homes is to begin to limit the War on Drugs.

    Now is very much the time. In fact, folks keep saying that we can't make any advances with McAuliffe as governor. This is precisely the sort of real RKBA advance that could make past a Democratic veto.

    If only, you know, we could get over our view of liberty as being divided between two camps (or, even more incongruously, solely in the camp of the GOP).
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    Imho

    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilrobyjohn View Post
    I listened to the libertarian crap all summer and fall, i go to many fairs and festivals where they had booths. I gathered from about everyone one of them that a large concern was legalizing pot...im no pot smoking hippie ill assure you. I told Sarvis to his face that it was the wrong time and too much was on the line. We gain nothing with this crap and stand to lose everything. Ive stood with pvc and ed and I stand today with them. Im a blue collar knuckle buster not a politician, so what do I know.
    More than the 535 knuckle dragging morons in Congress.

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    I dropped a 20 in the donation jar at the gun show today.
    I spoke with the guys there about Lobby Day.

    idea: At the gun shows the VCDL sells their mouse pads and stickers, etc. What if members donated gun related items to the VCDL table that could be sold? If you have...scope rings, new ammo, stocks, etc.
    Just an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    This is a gross distortion, rash over simplification of the facts, and insult to PVC.

    VCDL very much supports Constitutional Carry - to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
    I am not distorting anything Grapeshot. Check the VCDL Legislative Tracking Tool. VCDL did not strongly support Constitutional Carry. The VCDL PAC did not endorse the candidate that answered yes to every question on their survey, they chose the candidate that refused to answer many of the questions and checked no to Constitutional Carry. Philip did send out an e-mail attacking the pro constitutional carry candidate on Election Day.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilrobyjohn View Post
    I listened to the libertarian crap all summer and fall, i go to many fairs and festivals where they had booths. I gathered from about everyone one of them that a large concern was legalizing pot...im no pot smoking hippie ill assure you. I told Sarvis to his face that it was the wrong time and too much was on the line. We gain nothing with this crap and stand to lose everything. Ive stood with pvc and ed and I stand today with them. Im a blue collar knuckle buster not a politician, so what do I know.
    1) It is always time to dial back statist thugs

    2) if the Feds needed a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol, why don't they need another constitutional amendment to ban marijuana? My grandfather suffered from glaucoma for fifteen years. The best treatment option was denied to him because of an irrational and overreaching federal paranoia.

    3) This thread was about donating (or not) to VCDL.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Yes or No

    Should I join VCDL at my next opportunity or not?

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    Without a doubt

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    Should I join VCDL at my next opportunity or not?
    and with no reservations, YES !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    Should I join VCDL at my next opportunity or not?

    ABSOLUTELY.

    Decide for yourself what you do in relation to the PAC.

    VCDL is not a Board of Directors who generates policy, or a PAC that sets the legislative agenda. Your paid membership, though, does give that BOD and PAC chairman and others who register as lobbyists added clout. "I represent 40,000 gun owners in Virginia" carries much more weight in a politician's mind than "I represent 2000 gun owners".

    More importantly, VCDL is each and every citizen writing, calling, visiting, and educating legislators - you know, those guys who propose, discuss, and vote on laws - and letting them know what is important to you. We can each do that without VCDL, but not as effectively. Those lobbyists DO ensure we - the ones with the power - know what legislation is coming, when it's coming, and how to write a cogent note in support or opposition. (NB: I always customize/rewrite the pre-written e-mail because I know legislators read the first sentence and if it's identical to hundreds of others, simply put it ina pro/con file, but the major points are there. Revising is always easier than writing.) Those lobbyists track this stuff for us day after day.

    The organization is very far from perfect, but there isn't much better anywhere in the world, IMNSHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    ABSOLUTELY.

    Decide for yourself what you do in relation to the PAC.

    VCDL is not a Board of Directors who generates policy, or a PAC that sets the legislative agenda. Your paid membership, though, does give that BOD and PAC chairman and others who register as lobbyists added clout. "I represent 40,000 gun owners in Virginia" carries much more weight in a politician's mind than "I represent 2000 gun owners".

    More importantly, VCDL is each and every citizen writing, calling, visiting, and educating legislators - you know, those guys who propose, discuss, and vote on laws - and letting them know what is important to you. We can each do that without VCDL, but not as effectively. Those lobbyists DO ensure we - the ones with the power - know what legislation is coming, when it's coming, and how to write a cogent note in support or opposition. (NB: I always customize/rewrite the pre-written e-mail because I know legislators read the first sentence and if it's identical to hundreds of others, simply put it ina pro/con file, but the major points are there. Revising is always easier than writing.) Those lobbyists track this stuff for us day after day.

    The organization is very far from perfect, but there isn't much better anywhere in the world, IMNSHO.
    Well said Tess - appreciate your thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    Should I join VCDL at my next opportunity or not?
    Only you can decide what organizations you wish to support and be associated with.

    Might I suggest that before deciding you obtain a broader view than what is presented on a couple of threads at OCDO.

    There are many great people trying to preserve and enhance our rights (and Perks for Permittees - P4P) that are members of VCDL. If it ended there I would definitely be a member.

    My concerns are with the less than acceptable treatment by VCDL leadership of the biggest gun rights policy issue facing Virginia, Constitutional Carry. VCDL PAC and the VCDL President evidently believe that the issue is of so little importance that they can prioritize Constitutional Carry as less important than many P4P issues in their legislative activism. It is of so little importance to them that they are comfortable endorsing and working hard to elect an anti Constitutional Carry candidate.

    Do your research and ask many questions. If my posts are a particular concern you could email Philip and ask him why he sent out a hit piece against the most pro 2A candidate on election day. If you get the "ends justify the means" or "we want to win" answers, then you must decide if your character and core beliefs are coherent with this philosophy.

    Again, it is up to you. I recommend you peel back the onion and decide whether you are comfortable with what is inside.

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    Thumbs up Thanks for the info.

    When I get back in the states (23 Nov), I'll join up, and one for my kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    When I get back in the states (23 Nov), I'll join up, and one for my kid.
    You could submit your application(s) now - it takes about 6 weeks to process and get you on board as we are in the middle of our renewal period.

    http://www.vcdl.org/join
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    Go hunting for a few days and the same squabbling is still going on.

    I have issues with bills and endorsements VCDL/PAC has supported in the past too.

    That was then, this is now. Constitutional carry is one place where VCDL and I don't disagree, but the subject is deep and who they supported in the election is meaningless. It's over.

    Bottom line, if there's a better lobby organization, go with it. I haven't seen one on the state level but I might have overlooked someone at those committee meetings.

    Let's see, there was the NRA, asleep as usual, Mad Mike, PO'ing everyone including gun owners but he does have about 5 members I hear....then there is PVC, Grapeshot, Dennis and Bob at every Committee hearing and usually a pack of other members to back them up.

    I'm just telling the facts and you can support who you want but the next 4 years are going to be a fight despite what the As&...er Donkey says. Support a loser and you lose. Unfortunately, the rest of us do also.

    If we don't stop this damn bickering we're going to have to make some hard decisions and not all of you have a patch of woods to live out the rest of your days in.

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