RCall
Regular Member
If you haven't heard it enough, carry a recorder!!! It may save your but big time one day. You can get a nice one for around $50.00.
If you haven't heard it enough, carry a recorder!!! It may save your but big time one day. You can get a nice one for around $50.00.
All great advice ill be sure to get a recorder soon very very soon. I just got into an argument with my cousin who is a leo now going on 21 yrs all i wanted to know about was filing a complaint against officers because the local dept refused to give me any forms.
He tried to pull the old "well if someone gets scared from seeing you open carry we can charge you with inducing a panic " and compared open carry to yelling fire in a crowded theater. i tried to inform him that he was incorrect but he didnt want to hear it and kept arguing saying " i know youre not breaking the law but if someone gets scared and runs away from me into the street and gets hurt that im liable for it"
Does anybody have any pointers on politely educating my cousin the leo. his ignorance could cost him or his dept a lawsuit.
All great advice ill be sure to get a recorder soon very very soon. I just got into an argument with my cousin who is a leo now going on 21 yrs all i wanted to know about was filing a complaint against officers because the local dept refused to give me any forms.
He tried to pull the old "well if someone gets scared from seeing you open carry we can charge you with inducing a panic " and compared open carry to yelling fire in a crowded theater. i tried to inform him that he was incorrect but he didnt want to hear it and kept arguing saying " i know youre not breaking the law but if someone gets scared and runs away from me into the street and gets hurt that im liable for it"
Does anybody have any pointers on politely educating my cousin the leo. his ignorance could cost him or his dept a lawsuit.
not usually but this time it was like i wasnt even talking to my cousin it was more like talking to any ole ignorant leo
not usually but this time it was like i wasnt even talking to my cousin it was more like talking to any ole ignorant leo
My take:
While the Walmart employee pi$$ed you off by telling you take your gun outside, he broke no law. In fact, the law was and is on his side. You only need to be asked to leave. They do not need a reason.
You should have said, "Okay.", stored your gun in your car, THEN came back in and got a manager involved.
In general I agree with your post, but not the underlined sections I've quoted above. I don't think a random employee qualifies as someone with authority to ask you to leave. I'd have suggested we go and discuss it with the manager or ask him to have the manager join us for a discussion.
Just my take.
How can you possibly know who has authority and who does not?
It is my opinion that the manager or owner has that authority, nobody else does. Are you telling me you are going to leave when the squeamish teenage waitress at a local restaurant says you can't have your gun here or are you going to ask to speak with the manager or owner - especially if you know the restaurant is pro 2A?
And if they say "the manager (or owner) told me to ask you to leave" when they approach me or if when I ask to speak with the manager or owner I get a similar response, then I'll do as you indicated you would. But I'm not going to just leave unless someone with authority has asked that I do so - but I'm also not going to refuse to leave, rather as I said I'd ask to speak with the manager or owner.The owner can designate anyone he wishes to speak for him.
Open carry law in Kansas states that it must be a person in a position of authority for the business. Walmart policy states it must be a manager that asks you to leave, not your average employee. My wife is a store manager for Walmart, this guy would have got a severe reprimand at least, an she isn't even that pro gun.
Open carry law in Kansas states that it must be a person in a position of authority for the business. Walmart policy states it must be a manager that asks you to leave, not your average employee. My wife is a store manager for Walmart, this guy would have got a severe reprimand at least, an she isn't even that pro gun.