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    How many gun owners support 'Universal Background Checks?'

    I thought it was supposed to be, like, 90% or something. Well, this perfectly unscientific poll seems to suggest otherwise, by a landslide. Moreover, by another landslide, most support loosening current restrictions.

    http://gunssavelives.net/polls/poll-...ground-checks/

    Again, perfectly unscientific, but, still interesting to me that there would be such a large margin.
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    All polls are taken with a desired result, many factors of all polls can be manipulated to obtain that result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    All polls are taken with a desired result, many factors of all polls can be manipulated to obtain that result.
    In this case, those polled are self-selected by the poll site/location - gunssavelives.net. Of greater concern about this poll is its lack of unanimity.
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    I considered that but also consider that the poll questions are directed specifically at gun owners. So, gun oriented websites are likely a decently correct venue, though I would concede that some gun owners may not frequent a site focused on gun rights, especially if they somehow support increased gun control. I don't know that much about the website in question.

    I just figured that there would have at least been a little more even distribution. Usually I see polls like this not because I frequent the website hosting the poll but because someone has shared the poll on another website, and antis do it just as much. So, I would have expected a group of gun control advocating gun owners to distribute the link through their ranks to try and bolster the support for ubc but that doesn't seem to have happened.
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    I don't support ANY background check. They just make it harder for the law-abiding to buy a gun. They don't accomplish anything to keep guns out of the hands of those who will use them for evil purposes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I don't support ANY background check. They just make it harder for the law-abiding to buy a gun. They don't accomplish anything to keep guns out of the hands of those who will use them for evil purposes.


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    But he supports banning segments of society from their right, and that leads to those very same background checks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    But he supports banning segments of society from their right, and that leads to those very same background checks.
    What segment?
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    What segment?
    Odd that you would bring that up when you spend so much time cheering for him. Don't you think it would be wise to actually have read his posts?

    In the thread you stuck your nose in he made it clear he supports disabilities for illegal and legal aliens to firearm ownership. He has also argued the state has the authority to put disabilities to rights on felons. THE VERY PURPOSE OF THOSE BACKGROUND CHECKS, he claims he is against.

    There are no federal disabilities to purchase and possession of antique firearms, and there are no federal background checks to purchase them. The disabilities he supports clearly leads to those checks, and in that he is not honest, or very ignorant. You pick.

    You have been a member for 3 years, and you have no idea of what each member supports or does not. It seems you are just trying to be relevant by leaping on the coattails of another member. IMO you have picked the wrong member, or you should at least do some research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    What segment?
    meh. If he asks a legitimate question or makes a legitimate comment about what I write, I will address it. His posts, as they stand now, warrant no answer from me.

    Folks, if you want to know what I think, ask me, and I will tell you. If WW has a question or a comment, all he need do is post it like an adult, and I will respond on topic.

    Moving on.


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    The ****** still cannot answer honestly for his remarks. The fact is he supports the very disabilities that the background checks are supposedly for. Without those disabilities the background check is worthless. He wants you to believe he is against them to save face, but in truth he is for those disabilities and their enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Odd that you would bring that up when you spend so much time cheering for him. Don't you think it would be wise to actually have read his posts?

    In the thread you stuck your nose in he made it clear he supports disabilities for illegal and legal aliens to firearm ownership. He has also argued the state has the authority to put disabilities to rights on felons. THE VERY PURPOSE OF THOSE BACKGROUND CHECKS, he claims he is against.

    There are no federal disabilities to purchase and possession of antique firearms, and there are no federal background checks to purchase them. The disabilities he supports clearly leads to those checks, and in that he is not honest, or very ignorant. You pick.

    You have been a member for 3 years, and you have no idea of what each member supports or does not. It seems you are just trying to be relevant by leaping on the coattails of another member. IMO you have picked the wrong member, or you should at least do some research.
    Illegal aliens are not a segment of society, they are criminals at best invaders at worst.None of those lead to background checks, what leads to background checks is the federal government wanting to stick its nose into everything.

    I'm not leaping on anyone's coattails, or picking sides or any other sort of drama. I don't know anyone's positions on here other than in fairly vague terms because I don't care. Such is irrelevant.
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    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
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    Like who? What thread doesn't degrade to this? It's like a broken record. Is it impossible for OCDO to have a lighthearted, friendly laugh at a super one-sided poll without having 2 pages of calling people asses and saying we'll move on but not actually doing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthyeliminator View Post
    Like who? What thread doesn't degrade to this? It's like a broken record. Is it impossible for OCDO to have a lighthearted, friendly laugh at a super one-sided poll without having 2 pages of calling people asses and saying we'll move on but not actually doing it?
    LOL! Sorry for my part in it, but I can't stand bullies who think they can bully ON THE INTERNET, others into submission. Yes I have been poking the bully with a stick, he must not get it, I am glad that some of you understand how silly this whole thing is.

    I keep waiting for the Mods to step in and put a stop to it, hoping is more the word. God knows "somebody" is probably punching the poo poo out of that triangle.

    When they do step in I hope they for once make it clear what the quote function is for, and that anybody that calls people a ass has no business whining about being insulted.

    Ooops I see the mods did finally step in, hopefully we can all get back on track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    Illegal aliens are not a segment of society, they are criminals at best invaders at worst.None of those lead to background checks, what leads to background checks is the federal government wanting to stick its nose into everything.

    I'm not leaping on anyone's coattails, or picking sides or any other sort of drama. I don't know anyone's positions on here other than in fairly vague terms because I don't care. Such is irrelevant.
    Rights are God given not government and has nothing to do with borders. Privileges are a different story, and rights are not and never will be privileges even though some fools pass laws to turn them into privileges. It is not constitutional to bar a "criminal" from self defense or the tools, and grant privileges to subjects that are willing to kiss the statists ass.
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    So when did God give us the right to have firearms? When they were invented? Why didn't he give them sooner? Why didn't cave men have them?

    As far as the poll goes.... listen it's a PRO GUN website. As you can see from this forum and ANY other PRO gun forum, they are against any and all restrictions. It's a biased result. And not a very good picture of the whole country or all gun owners.

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    All rights are god given, including the right to bear arms, which btw is any arm, including firearms. Sorry if that is not conducive to a particular agenda. Nope not sorry, get over it. To paraphrase the words of God~Sell a cloak to buy a sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    So when did God give us the right to have firearms? When they were invented? Why didn't he give them sooner? Why didn't cave men have them?
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    A person has the inherent right to live because the person is alive. If a person has a right to live then they must have the right to protect their life, otherwise the person does not in fact have a right to live. If a person has a right to protect their life then they must have the right to a means of defending their life. Finally if a person has a right to live and subsequently has a right to a means of defending their life, then they have a right to the best means or to be more specific arms. If arms are restricted then a person's right to procure the most effective means of self defense has been infringed. However, society can choose to infringe upon rights all it wants, it just has to make sure that basically everyone is ok with it and put the power to do so in the constitution.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    A person has the inherent right to live because the person is alive. If a person has a right to live then they must have the right to protect their life, otherwise the person does not in fact have a right to live. If a person has a right to protect their life then they must have the right to a means of defending their life. Finally if a person has a right to live and subsequently has a right to a means of defending their life, then they have a right to the best means or to be more specific arms. If arms are restricted then a person's right to procure the most effective means of self defense has been infringed. However, society can choose to infringe upon rights all it wants, it just has to make sure that basically everyone is ok with it and put the power to do so in the constitution.
    Well said, I can understand that explaination and agree with most of it.

    My issue is the statement "right to live because we are alive". I guess. It's a concept developed by society and man. I bet even just 1000 years ago that concept wasn't around. As societies became more evolved someone came up with that idea. They can then assign it to whoever want. My point was we weren't born with that on day 1 of existence.

    Also, another curve ball. To do with the "rights" and concepts given to us. So we have (and AGREE) on the concept of the right to live. If you went right now to mountains of China and found some nomadic herder and asked him about that. What do you think he would say? Or, if you went to the .gov controlled portions of China, would the laborers who make 10 cents a day agree? My point isn't to knock anything or any idea. My point is to show that ALL of these concepts and ideas were GIVEN to us. Even the guys posting on this forum. Think back to the first time you heard about Natural rights. Were you sitting in your bedroom and it just hit you? Were you born with that idea and as soon as you could speak you utterd the concept? No. Someone somewhere PASSED the idea to you and when you heard it you liked it and agreed with it, as do I.

    Crazy other question along this thought. If these rights are bestowed on us just because we are born. Does it apply to non-humans? (think about it before anyone goes off the deep end). If so, does that mean cows have a right to live? (I'd say no) If NOT, then why are cows different then humans? Since we are saying that the right to life is bestowed upon your birth (by god or whoever/whatever you point to).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    A person has the inherent right to live because the person is alive. If a person has a right to live then they must have the right to protect their life, otherwise the person does not in fact have a right to live. If a person has a right to protect their life then they must have the right to a means of defending their life. Finally if a person has a right to live and subsequently has a right to a means of defending their life, then they have a right to the best means or to be more specific arms. If arms are restricted then a person's right to procure the most effective means of self defense has been infringed. However, society can choose to infringe upon rights all it wants, it just has to make sure that basically everyone is ok with it and put the power to do so in the constitution.
    A person has a inherent Right to steal food in order to Live, correct?

    Just curious...
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    All rights are god given, including the right to bear arms, which btw is any arm, including firearms. Sorry if that is not conducive to a particular agenda. Nope not sorry, get over it. To paraphrase the words of God~Sell a cloak to buy a sword.
    Can you please cite the place where God have us these rights? I mean literally God himself. Not Moses, not John or the Apostles. But God himself. Do you have this document that he wrote that lists these rights? Finally, if someone is an Athiest do they get the rights? I ask this, because I know some believe that according to scripture Athiests or even other religions don't get squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Can you please cite the place where God have us these rights? I mean literally God himself. Not Moses, not John or the Apostles. But God himself. Do you have this document that he wrote that lists these rights? Finally, if someone is an Athiest do they get the rights? I ask this, because I know some believe that according to scripture Athiests or even other religions don't get squat.
    I did, I gave you the word of God. As far as a Atheist all people have god given rights even if they are heathens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    A person has a inherent Right to steal food in order to Live, correct?

    Just curious...
    Wrong! Stealing infringes on property rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    *snippers*

    My issue is the statement "right to live because we are alive". I guess. It's a concept developed by society and man. I bet even just 1000 years ago that concept wasn't around. As societies became more evolved someone came up with that idea. They can then assign it to whoever want. My point was we weren't born with that on day 1 of existence.

    *snippers*.
    Society is made up of Men...and Women. So, the notion of Inherent Right to Live is a Modern Notion? Basically, what you're stating then, is, an individual does not have the Inherent Right to Live until it is established the individual (or Society) has the Inherent Right to Live.

    It would not be assigned to just Whomever, it would be assigned to those who are Alive.

    No, we weren't born with the Inherent Right to Live since 'day one.'--whatever day that may have been...I'm sure it's a Biblical reference by you. You can claim that it has been the case since 'day one,' but the wheels get-a spinning in my dome when individuals, such as in your case, begin asserting what IS, and IS NOT the case since 'day one.'

    No, we do not have an Inherent Right to own a firearm, necessarily, because we have an Inherent Right to Live because we are Alive. Self-defense, and the Inherent Right for an Alive person to Live are not necessarily, albeit Logically, True.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    I did, I gave you the word of God. As far as a Atheist all people have god given rights even if they are heathens.
    Where is the word? You just threw "they are God given". That's all. So your in violation of rule 5(i believe). Your throwing a "fact" without a cite.

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