77zach
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I often don't agree with you, but we are in complete agreement here.
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Then shoot me... If I'm stealing your money by threat of force then shoot me...
- Thread starter sudden valley gunner
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I often don't agree with you, but we are in complete agreement here.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
You're not.
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
If you see a need for something to be done doesn't mean that need needs to be done by the most innefficient means possible and by force and coercion. You see a need set up a business that takes care of that need. Look even EMN mentioned a few.
Government has stunted many safety features of cars, seat belts for instance were not a government invention it was a private invention, yet when they were mandated and the features mandated, the further development in seat belt or similar technology has been stunted.
FDA kills people, ask the 17 year old kid who was dying of cancer, and they wouldn't let him try an experimental drug that could have prolonged his life because he wasn't 18, he didn't live to see his 18th.
Their food inspection is a joke, giving an illusion of safety that isn't there.
Every drug that has been recalled for killing people by the FDA was at one time approved and deemed safe by the FDA.
Government has stunted many safety features of cars, seat belts for instance were not a government invention it was a private invention, yet when they were mandated and the features mandated, the further development in seat belt or similar technology has been stunted.
FDA kills people, ask the 17 year old kid who was dying of cancer, and they wouldn't let him try an experimental drug that could have prolonged his life because he wasn't 18, he didn't live to see his 18th.
Their food inspection is a joke, giving an illusion of safety that isn't there.
Every drug that has been recalled for killing people by the FDA was at one time approved and deemed safe by the FDA.
OC for ME
Regular Member
Appeal to emotion.
If it were "allowed" by the feds to "grow" my own milk and to provide my excess home grown milk to my fellow citizens, for a nominal fee, to them for the convenience of they not having to grow their own milk I should be able to do just that. Sadly, that is not the case. The feds will use violent physical force, as a last option, if I do not comply with their mandate. If a citizen gets sick, or even dies, from my product I am then to be held to account. The feds harm more than me when they forcibly stop me from providing milk to my fellow citizens. This scenario is not new nor is it old news.
No, the government did not rate their safety, but they mandate that safety ratings be established. Then they "approve or disapprove" the ratings. There have been legal actions brought by the feds against companies because the feds did not believe that a product met a certain safety standard. Buckey Balls is a good example.
A crystal clear case of nanny state interference and you as well as others are advocates of nanny state interference. Parents are too stupid and thus the feds will shoulder some of the parenting duties.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
To go along with the above post....
"Even after federal agents stormed the store in 2010, guns drawn, raiding the retailer for unmarked jugs of raw milk, patrons have continued to graze over to Rawesome for all their natural goat milk needs." http://rt.com/usa/food-agents-year-milk/
They were only supplying what people were wanting, yet because of government mandates (losses of liberty) violent coercive use of force, to stop someone from supplying healthy food, and it still doesn't work. Just like the loosing drug war, they can't even keep drugs out of prisons.
"Even after federal agents stormed the store in 2010, guns drawn, raiding the retailer for unmarked jugs of raw milk, patrons have continued to graze over to Rawesome for all their natural goat milk needs." http://rt.com/usa/food-agents-year-milk/
They were only supplying what people were wanting, yet because of government mandates (losses of liberty) violent coercive use of force, to stop someone from supplying healthy food, and it still doesn't work. Just like the loosing drug war, they can't even keep drugs out of prisons.
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Wasn't Gipson(guitars) raided by the same thugs? For all things dyed wood.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
They were raided and they followed the law.
I love Gibson guitars and part of that love is the wood they put into it.
It's sad that people will excuse these actions, the colonist tore down the houses of officials for enforcing a minimal tax, yet we shrug our shoulders and are glad it hasn't happened to us yet.
Look at how many take the oath to uphold the constitution, yet they don't even understand it and will just "follow orders". Or blame the victims for the acts of the aggressors by idiotic comment of well they can move.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Seems like a founding father John Jay (who was fairly statist) disagrees with some of the posters ideas of "consent".
“No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent.”—John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States
Does look like he was saying you should just move.
“No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent.”—John Jay, first Chief Justice of the United States
Does look like he was saying you should just move.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Great find!
Gibson in aug 2012 unexpectedly capitulated and paid a 300K fine, forfeited 600K and made a 50K donation to wildlife.
shame but pursuing prob would have cost Gibson a fortune defending its position.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/gibson-guitars-exotic-wood_n_1747507.html
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
Gibson guitars is proof that, even if you follow the laws, the government will harm anyone they want to.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Thank you, stumbled across that researching for something else thought it fit very well as a counter to the claim of "consent" and this is the system the founder installed.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
But hey guys don't say that's becoming the norm or you are cop bashing.
These examples are well known because of the high profile of the actors involved. Imagine the countless people who are just try to scratch a living out during their brief existence on this planet who are extorted, bribed, robbed, jailed, and can't even afford to make deals like Gibson.
Hell Martha Stewart, Michael Milken are rich and they couldn't win, they had to capitulate the violent force of government.