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    Boston PD to monitor police cars by GPS tracking... officers don't like it

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    The headline says:
    "Boston police officers wary of GPS for cruisers
    Fear too much scrutiny of police under city’s plan"

    Excuses range from being tracked to a meeting with a CI to the system being hacked and criminals knowing when it's safe to rob a bank.

    administrators say the system gives dispatchers the ability to see where officers are, rather than wait for a radio response. Using GPS, they say, accelerates their response to a call
    “No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?” said one officer...
    It’s quite an intrusion on people’s lives
    They'll also now be recording via in-station cameras, instead of only having live monitoring.
    That's good for innocent officers who do not mistreat arrestees.



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    Reminds me of when I worked for Motorola in the public safety radio division. One optional feature for the portable radios was the ability of the dispatcher to remotely turn on the radio's mike if they weren't getting a response. More than once the dispatcher heard sounds that were indicative of anything but official business...

    Most police unions pressured their jurisdiction to NOT include that particular feature...
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    I assume that donut shops will be feed instant access to the system so that they can better serve the community.

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    And the department must alert an officer if anyone from the public requests his or her GPS records.

    “Our interest was the scrutiny,” said Joseph Sandulli, a lawyer for the Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association. “This thing keeps a permanent record of where an officer is all day. If he stops to go to the bathroom, that stop appears on the screen. If he goes a mile over the speed limit, someone can question that. It’s quite an intrusion on people’s lives.”

    Davis acknowledged that one of the advantages to installing the system will be the ability to keep track of officers and make sure they are not leaving their district or patrol area without permission or driving recklessly.
    One mile over the speed limit, unexplained stops, intruding into people's lives... where have I heard that happening before...

    I would like to think that this system will help locate and hopefully indict the bad apples that give honourable police officers a bad name.
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    If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

    Isn't that what we hear from the statists all the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

    Isn't that what we hear from the statists all the time?
    +1
    Now, if we could see more bills requiring officers to carry a lapel voice/video recorder, we could really toss out the self-aggrandizing, heavy-handed thugs and reward the officers that really do the most to serve and protect the people and preserve the peace.

    One thing I don't know if I like is the fact that the officer will be notified when a FOIA request comes in about their whereabouts at a particular time (to be fair, chances are they would receive an off-the-record heads-up anyway).
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Another case where elitist hypocrites who went to court to have the power to throw them on cars belonging to private citizens not overturned.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    One mile over the speed limit, unexplained stops, intruding into people's lives... where have I heard that happening before...

    I would like to think that this system will help locate and hopefully indict the bad apples that give honourable police officers a bad name.
    No such thing as a bad apple when the whole barrel is rotten....

    Quote Originally Posted by ron73440 View Post
    If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

    Isn't that what we hear from the statists all the time?
    +1
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Young Man View Post
    ...I would like to think that this system will help locate and hopefully indict the bad apples that give honourable police officers a bad name.
    Which is why all the honorable officers are fully and publicly supporting this program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Which is why all the honorable officers are fully and publicly supporting this program.
    I'd wear a body cam in a heart beat. The 1 thing that would screw me is my mouth. I tend to swear alot when people act belligerent. I'm all sirs and ma'ams until they start yelling and swearing.

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    Good example

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWb2XQ_O2mQ

    This is where body cameras are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'd wear a body cam in a heart beat. The 1 thing that would screw me is my mouth. I tend to swear alot when people act belligerent. I'm all sirs and ma'ams until they start yelling and swearing.
    I rarely swear ... except when I'm doing my 1040 ... then its all swearing ... lol

    Good and bad about recording yourself ... you are creating a record that could be used against you in court. w/o one - its he said-she said.

    Nice video .... it shows why many of my cop friends don't respond to domestic violence calls. You never know what the heck is going on ... many girls being beat up will jump on the cop who is trying to protect her. Goofy.

    people can wear body cams or mic themselves up .... just know that your recording could be used against you; even a snippet may sound bad.

    I generally do record at admin hearings though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    I'd wear a body cam in a heart beat. The 1 thing that would screw me is my mouth. I tend to swear alot when people act belligerent. I'm all sirs and ma'ams until they start yelling and swearing.
    So you escalate? Like in your example of the bank?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    So you escalate?...
    Well, returning swearing with swearing is not escalating.
    Last edited by MAC702; 11-21-2013 at 10:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Well, returning swearing with swearing is not escalating.
    I know, I swear quite a bit.

    I am basing my comment off another comment he made that we shouldn't OC for tact because if someone argues naturally we argue back. I am thinking that is his own personal bias speaking.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Well, returning swearing with swearing is not escalating.
    +1

    Nailed it. I START with sir and ma'am. Always. Until they yell and swear and then I'll still attempt the niceties. In the end, some people literally won't listen until you talk like them. It's part of knowing who your dealing with and how to deal with them. Some people respond very well to niceties and appreciate the respect. Others will just do their own thing and yell over your or worse, until you respond in kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I rarely swear ... except when I'm doing my 1040 ... then its all swearing ... lol

    Good and bad about recording yourself ... you are creating a record that could be used against you in court. w/o one - its he said-she said.

    Nice video .... it shows why many of my cop friends don't respond to domestic violence calls. You never know what the heck is going on ... many girls being beat up will jump on the cop who is trying to protect her. Goofy.

    people can wear body cams or mic themselves up .... just know that your recording could be used against you; even a snippet may sound bad.

    I generally do record at admin hearings though.
    What? How do they have an option? You go where your sent.... at least we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    What? How do they have an option? You go where your sent.... at least we do.
    You can just quit can go to another department. Right?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    You can just quit can go to another department. Right?
    Yes sir, I certainly could. Without even changing my address. I happen to actually like going to where I'm needed. For some crazy reason I actually want to help out that lady getting her face smashed in or getting stabbed by someone. I certainly don't do what I do for the free coffee.

    And if I did move out of the city into a different place, my tax rate would change to something lower.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Yes sir, I certainly could. Without even changing my address. I happen to actually like going to where I'm needed. For some crazy reason I actually want to help out that lady getting her face smashed in or getting stabbed by someone. I certainly don't do what I do for the free coffee.

    And if I did move out of the city into a different place, my tax rate would change to something lower.....
    Oh ok so you were saying "how do you have an option" meaning "you have an option". Gotcha.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Oh ok so you were saying "how do you have an option" meaning "you have an option". Gotcha.
    Umm, no. I asked "How do you have an option?" as in..... "How do you have an option?" It wasn't a typo.

    It was a nice way to throw up the BS flag on the play. I'd bet just about anything that is NOT the case in the department. It may be the officers he knows dislike the call so they avoid them and let someone else take them, but as far as the Department having a policy that says "you don't have to go to calls you don't like".... BS.

    I have the option of moving to a Department may get 2-3 Domestic calls per week. I happen to belong to one that has more then that a night (on average). I could move to slow dept. in a rural area, but I won't.

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    Wait! So, Primus is a cop?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Wait! So, Primus is a cop?
    I thought that was pretty obvious from all of his posts.

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    Correct, I am. I know... roll out the pitch forks and light the torches, it's a mobbing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
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    Give the man some credit.

    I'm pretty sure he would wait for a furtive movement.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 11-22-2013 at 01:53 PM.
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