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    Poll: 'do guns save lives?'

    SAF launches poll: ‘Do guns save lives?’

    The Second Amendment Foundation late yesterday launched a video poll asking people whether they agree that Guns Save Lives; the latest chapter in a duel between gun rights advocates and gun prohibitionists.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/saf-...uns-save-lives

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    National Guns Save Lives Day and telephone poll

    The Second Amendment Foundation late yesterday launched a video poll asking people whether they agree that Guns Save Lives; the latest chapter in a duel between gun rights advocates and gun prohibitionists.


    The video is a key component of the build-up to national “Guns Save Lives Day,” scheduled Sunday, Dec. 15 in cooperation with the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and several other organizations around the country.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/saf-...alerts_article

    The video is very short - requests that you call 1-800-970-0998

    Do Guns Save Lives?


    Press 1 for Yes

    Press 2 for No.
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    Guns don't save lives. People save lives.

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    Guns save lives in the same way that any other life-saving tool, an AED or a life ring, or a seatbelt - that will not perform its lifesaving function if it is not used.
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    Yes, we all know that it is people using guns that save lives.

    But going all pedantic here is not helping.

    Call the number. Press 1. Hold on if you want to make a donation; hang up if you do not. But for the sake of Truth, Justice and The American Way please stop bickering about the wording of what was supposed to be a catchword/meme.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
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    Vote #1 or #2 = your choice or do not call at all, but this thread will not become a forum for personal rants on the subject of Guns Save Lives.
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    Technically, it is the projectile that saves lives. The gun is nothing but the mechanism to initiate the life saving process. Though, a good pistol whipping can do wonders some times.

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    Jesus H! What is wrong with you people? Take the poll!! Help out with OC instead of arguing over every little thing in the world! We are all here to discuss and promote the RKBA along with OC. All this bickering and nit-picking is getting old and tiresome. It's to the point where, in my opinion, it is damaging this site and the messages and behaviors we should be promoting.

    On topic: Im taking the poll right MEOW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBrinson View Post
    Jesus H! What is wrong with you people? Take the poll!! Help out with OC instead of arguing over every little thing in the world! We are all here to discuss and promote the RKBA along with OC. All this bickering and nit-picking is getting old and tiresome. It's to the point where, in my opinion, it is damaging this site and the messages and behaviors we should be promoting.

    On topic: Im taking the poll right MEOW!
    Thank you.

    Cleaning up the thread now.....done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBrinson View Post
    Jesus H! What is wrong with you people? Take the poll!! Help out with OC instead of arguing over every little thing in the world! We are all here to discuss and promote the RKBA along with OC. All this bickering and nit-picking is getting old and tiresome. It's to the point where, in my opinion, it is damaging this site and the messages and behaviors we should be promoting.

    On topic: Im taking the poll right MEOW!
    I participated in the poll before I posted a comment. Your assumption that those who posted did not participate in the poll is irksome.

    To be somewhat nit-picking, please elaborate on the messages and behaviors you think we should be promoting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    ....

    To be somewhat nit-picking, please elaborate on the messages and behaviors you think we should be promoting.
    Instead of debating which thing saves lives (the gun, the bullet, the person behind the gun firing the bullet) how about agreeing that it is a meme/catchphrase and supporting the notion that a lawfully armed citizen has a better chance of saving their life/the life of their loved ones/the life of an innocent stranger than does someone who has no convenient, effective and efficient means of self defense? Would that be OK with you?

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Instead of debating which thing saves lives (the gun, the bullet, the person behind the gun firing the bullet) how about agreeing that it is a meme/catchphrase and supporting the notion that a lawfully armed citizen has a better chance of saving their life/the life of their loved ones/the life of an innocent stranger than does someone who has no convenient, effective and efficient means of self defense? Would that be OK with you?

    stay safe.
    OK, guns save lives.

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    Done. When do we get to see the results?

    ETA: I'm glad that you stepped in and moderated the derailment over the wording. It was getting very tiresome very quickly and some of the comments about that were spot on. Good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Done. When do we get to see the results?

    ETA: I'm glad that you stepped in and moderated the derailment over the wording. It was getting very tiresome very quickly and some of the comments about that were spot on. Good job.
    As there is no ongoing/running total showing status of the poll, I earlier today contacted SAF to inquire - they will release when tabulated. As numbers sometimes will influence how people vote, they want to keep it as unbiased as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    ... they want to keep it as unbiased as possible.
    Announced and offered to the antis? That is bias.
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    Originally Posted by Grapeshot

    ... they want to keep it as unbiased as possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    Announced and offered to the antis? That is bias.
    Yep - they can read too. Surely you don't doubt that we are monitored by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Yep - they can read too. Surely you don't doubt that we are monitored by them.
    I do doubt. Your "guests" are web crawler robots from all the world's search engines.

    I waste no time reading web sites selling a progressive world view, do you, do you imagine they really waste their time? Paranoia much? I have more to read than I have time remaining, certainly to waste on bathetic progressive stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    I do doubt. Your "guests" are web crawler robots from all the world's search engines.

    I waste no time reading web sites selling a progressive world view, do you, do you imagine they really waste their time? Paranoia much? I have more to read than I have time remaining, certainly to waste on bathetic progressive stupidity.

    Merry Christmas, God Jul!
    Registered users are not bots - knowing who is what is not paranoia....know what I mean.

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    ...guns do save lives....the Second Amendment Foundation is giving gun opponents an opportunity to cast a vote.............
    http://www.examiner.com/article/nort...alerts_article
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Registered users are not bots - knowing who is what is not paranoia....know what I mean.
    These guests - "There are currently 338 users online. 75 members and 263 guests" - of the 263, few are human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    These guests - "There are currently 338 users online. 75 members and 263 guests" - of the 263, few are human.
    That is likely the case in the predawn hours. Think less so throughout the day unless people never read/lurk w/o registering - like reading the newspaper that someone else left at McD's, doesn't increase the sales but true readership...yep.

    Getting too far off-topic - returning to the scheduled program. First choice is to call or not - if option #1, then take the few seconds needed.
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