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    How would self defense apply in this situation?

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    A good Samaritan with a camera helped in catching an off-duty Detroit Police Officer and his former DPD accomplice, who were involved in a pistol-whipping and robbery outside a Citgo gas station.
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    Self defense should apply whomever the attacker is however, would a situation like this change anything?
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    What was the results of the case? Were they charged or fired?

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    According to WJBK,, now under arrest are two police sergeants, a 47-year-old officer and 20-year veteran of the Detroit Police Department and his 42-year-old buddy from the police academy, who is a former DPD cop and 17-year veteran of the St. Clair Shores Police Department. The later recently received a distinguished service award.

    “In fact, they were police officers, just not working on-duty at the time,” Craig said.

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    Well, at least they were not on the company dime during the robberies. I think that this would also include a "citizen's arrest" aspect myself.

    Not knowing much about MI citizen arrests statues and case law, maybe someone else will chime in.

    Wonder if the cop had to turn in his "distinguished service" award .. wa wa waaaa.

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    Thanks for the update david.

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    Just another isolated incident.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Just another isolated incident.

    I need a macro written for that phrase !!!

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    Officers attorney said they Sgts were pursuing cellphone stolen from one of them's teenage daughter.
    Looks like more to the story than at first glance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Just another isolated incident.
    Responding to the situation where two cops were charged in one week, Chief Cathy Lanier of Metro DC PD, said, "We recognize that the actions of individual officers reflect on the entire department." Washington Times 12/6/13.

    Even cops admit a rotten apple affects the whole barrel.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Just another isolated incident.
    Since it's you I figure you forgot your emo-con.

    Just in case though. 2 Macon police officers arrested for stealing a tractor
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Responding to the situation where two cops were charged in one week, Chief Cathy Lanier of Metro DC PD, said, "We recognize that the actions of individual officers reflect on the entire department." Washington Times 12/6/13.

    Even cops admit a rotten apple affects the whole barrel.
    Let's parse out his comment staying on the safe side of LE bashing.

    The Chief is told she -has- to say =something=.

    We recognize the 'Royal' We? The chief sidesteps any blame - doesn't say 'I', accepting any responsibility. They "recognize" it? Who writes like that? Patsy Ramsey, lol.

    ...a few individuals <- called a 'limited hang out', implying that these 'people' (were they cops, you don't know; they were few, i.e. not indicative of the many)

    reflect on the whole department <- The reader is supposed to think the whole department is marred, is ruminating about this.

    The proper term is something like 'cast doubt', or cast aspersions on, reflect in a negative light is another idiom commonly used. Or 'reflect poorly', but to just say reflect? It's equivocal.

    Maybe it was a small foreign faction? At least the Chief recognizes it wouldn't be prudent to have had an untight 18th century deck piece see the sharp light of day?
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    Detroit.....nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Responding to the situation where two cops were charged in one week, Chief Cathy Lanier of Metro DC PD, said, "We recognize that the actions of individual officers reflect on the entire department." Washington Times 12/6/13.

    Even cops admit a rotten apple affects the whole barrel.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Since it's you I figure you forgot your emo-con.

    Just in case though. 2 Macon police officers arrested for stealing a tractor
    Since it was me I wouldn't think one was necessary....

    I started a FB Page called another isolated incident. Quite depressing actually when I can find several a day if I wanted to, so I limit my posting and encourage others to do so.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
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    Since it was me I wouldn't think one was necessary....

    I started a FB Page called another isolated incident. Quite depressing actually when I can find several a day if I wanted to, so I limit my posting and encourage others to do so.
    Visit "Moms demand unarmed victims" next time you're on. It's a satire....
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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