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    NYPD Killed Parakeet, Beat Family in unwarranted home invasion.

    "A Staten Island woman has sued the city claiming police entered her St. George home without a warrant, beat her family and killed her beloved pet parakeet, according to court documents. [ ... ] The officers then stepped on the bird intentionally, killing it, court documents say. [ ... ] All charges were eventually dropped and sealed by Richmond County Supreme Court, the lawsuit says."

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    Wow. It really sounds horrible when you hear only one side. It may sound horrible after we hear both sides, but we haven't heard all the details, and clearly some are missing.

    *reserving judgment*

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    "Bird homicide" or was it a justified use of lethal force. We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    "Bird homicide" or was it a justified use of lethal force. We shall see.
    Not homicide, nor parricide, maybe avicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    "Bird homicide" or was it a justified use of lethal force. We shall see.
    Or an accident during a struggle? If that is the case, then the question would be, was the person who accidentally stepped on the bird justified in participating in a struggle. As you say, we shall see.


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    I think that when the other side is heard it will be even more horrible. A citizen only sees what's on the outside .. getting a view of the inside will not make the stink less ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    "Bird homicide" or was it a justified use of lethal force. We shall see.

    Last words of the bird: "I got rights" ...

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    The officers will make a claim for "obstruction", they politely asked the family member for identification when they saw him loitering around the trash can with a bag of trash in his hand. He refused to identify himself or give an account of his actions and then broke away from them.
    What were they supposed to do, just let him escape justice?

    Additional information not found in the first linked story but reported here
    "... Her son, Edwin Avellanet, 26, was taking a bag of garbage outside, and had placed a traffic cone outside the house to reserve a parking spot for a friend who would be arriving soon. Two officers outside told him to remove the cone, which he did, Leventhal said.

    The officers then asked Avellanet for his ID, and, according to the lawsuit, he responded, "You're not giving me a reason to give you my ID..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    The officers will make a claim for "obstruction", they politely asked the family member for identification when they saw him loitering around the trash can with a bag of trash in his hand. He refused to identify himself or give an account of his actions and then broke away from them.
    What were they supposed to do, just let him escape justice?

    Additional information not found in the first linked story but reported here

    A cop just called me an a**hole for not providing ID .... I called him a double a**hole ... lol ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
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    What were they supposed to do, just let him escape justice?
    Letting him remain free would be justice

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    "Seeing all sides" may be a process. This article may offer more / different / additional info.

    http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf...aten_isla.html

    Interesting to me is that the person they pursued into the home was not charged with any offense. Seems the beating / bird killing frenzy was sparked by a person declining a request for his ID.


    Isolated incident 88, 646.


    Though unrelated to this incident, I can't help but wonder if there isn't a pattern of abuses going on:


    http://fox4kc.com/2013/11/27/man-say...kill-his-dogs/

    Maybe a trained technique to overcome objections?
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    Well, cops threatening all sorts of things is not unlawful.....for them. If I used that exact verbiage I guess I should expect to be cooling it in a cooler downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    Letting him remain free would be justice

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    by falls ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    "Seeing all sides" may be a process. This article may offer more / different / additional info.

    http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf...aten_isla.html...
    Same side of the story.

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    They killed a parakeet? That's seriously messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimwag View Post
    They killed a parakeet? That's seriously messed up.

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    They were protecting the family from a deadly parakeet disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    They were protecting the family from a deadly parakeet disease...
    Maybe the officer was going to eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Same side of the story.
    What's your point? I qualified the offering. If it isn't something you can use, MOVE ON. I didn't post it as an appeal for your approval. Simply more / different information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Well, cops threatening all sorts of things is not unlawful.....for them. If I used that exact verbiage I guess I should expect to be cooling it in a cooler downtown.

    Got ya on the not illegal. Maybe this is that "strong moral fiber" thing I just haven't learned to appreciate yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    What's your point? I qualified the offering. If it isn't something you can use, MOVE ON. I didn't post it as an appeal for your approval. Simply more / different information.
    He copyrighted every derivation of "moving on" ... now you owe him a nickle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    What's your point? I qualified the offering. If it isn't something you can use, MOVE ON. I didn't post it as an appeal for your approval. Simply more / different information.
    What's your point? I merely mentioned that we are no closer to getting the other side of the story. If that is not helpful to you, MOVE ON. I didn't post that for you. Simply letting folks know that we didn't get more / different information.

    Your turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Malarkey View Post
    Got ya on the not illegal. Maybe this is that "strong moral fiber" thing I just haven't learned to appreciate yet.
    I don't care who you are.....that right there is down right funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    What's your point? I merely mentioned that we are no closer to getting the other side of the story. If that is not helpful to you, MOVE ON. I didn't post that for you. Simply letting folks know that we didn't get more / different information.

    Your turn.
    The "other side" ...

    "We came to the house and the guy had what appeared to be a deadly trained bird on his shoulder...and it spoke! A devil bird the Sgt. said. "Kill, kill, kill was the command". We just followed orders. Luckily, we all had a narrow escape from that devil bird and went home and had a chicken dinner."

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    The "other side" ...

    "We came to the house and the guy had what appeared to be a deadly trained bird on his shoulder...and it spoke! A devil bird the Sgt. said. "Kill, kill, kill was the command". We just followed orders. Luckily, we all had a narrow escape from that devil bird and went home and had a chicken dinner."
    Well the bird did expose his pecker...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Well the bird did expose his pecker...
    Ba da boom! Help expose again the pecker.
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