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    Using Children To Pass Gun Laws Is Grotesque And Childish

    From Jan of 2013, but still relevant.
    Parents are often asked by their children to solve unsolvable problems. When woken by nightmares, my daughter seeks reassurance that bad dreams won’t return when she closes her eyes again. I offer a fresh pillow, inviting her to think that somehow it will foster only happy visions.

    If I cajoled them to, my kids could scratch out some tear-jerking pleas for the President to put an end to nightmares, lost stuffed animals, and illnesses of all kinds. Yet that really shouldn’t be the impetuous for nation-altering legislation. Grown-ups—including politicians—may have a duty to offer children reassurance after a trauma, but we cannot pretend that we have the power to wipe bad things out of existence.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/carrielu...-and-childish/
    The libs never miss an opportunity to drag kids into thier arguments.

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    And the laws they have already passed created the circumstances that make Newtowns possible. The blood of those children are on their hands as well as those of the shooter.

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    because..........

    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    From Jan of 2013, but still relevant.The libs never miss an opportunity to drag kids into thier arguments.
    who except a complete idiot, could possibly want to go against anything that could keep kids from being hurt??????????? Very strong image causing those exposed to think that they may and should do something to prevent harm coming to children. But it's just subliminal advertising. If you take away the emotion from the argument, you can deal with the facts. But those who don't want to deal with or accept the facts will use any possible device to make their point. Passing stronger gun control laws would not have saved the Newtown children unless AR rifles were completely banned, and the SCOTUS has pretty much already decided that issue in the Heller decision, I think. Adam Lanza's mother bought and kept the rifle he used in complete compliance with the law. What might have helped is if the state of Connecticut had increased their capability to deal with those who have mental problems and need care.
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    Every time a precious child looses it's life at the hands of a maniac using a gun they dance in the blood of our children.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Simply turn the argument on them IF they try to use the "think of the children" argument first:

    "What kind of a monster would pass laws that would render the children and their parents defenseless against depraved murderers?"

    Follow up with:
    "When the next door neighbors had X happen to their child, we made sure to teach our children how to be safe when handling/using Z." (suggestion: use matches or a Swiss Army knife as "Z")
    Last edited by Rusty Young Man; 12-11-2013 at 11:26 PM. Reason: Clarification
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

    “Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” - Frederic Bastiat

    "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." - Edmund Burke

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    " The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the People as long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation" ( Adolph Hitler ).


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    Why were several quotes dropped during the re-ordering of the quotes? I'm specifically talking about:

    The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.

    I didn't want to revert all the changes, but could the person who revised it re-add the missing quotes or explain why they were removed? --Spatz 18:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

    That quote in particular is apparently from the Ralph Manheim translation (ISBN 0395078016). Page 403 of the 1943 version. What I would like, is for someone to go to a library and make a photocopy/scan of that page, so we finally have proof that it's really in there. And to check out which chapter it's in, so we can add it to the Mein Kampf article. --82.171.70.54 22:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

    You can search the Ralph Manheim translation on Google Books and the quote doesn't appear to be there (or in any edition): see here. This doesn't appear to be a real quote. Morish 14:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
    Update: logicalriot on reddit pointed me to this post which shows that it's actually a manufactured quote derived from a passage in a fictional letter written by Rabbi Daniel Lapin in 2004. So it's fake; end of story. Morish 17:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)



    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Mein_Kampf

    Seems like Hitler never actual said this....

    The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the People as long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation" ( Adolph Hitler )
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    There is an interesting discussion of the quote on WikiQuote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Mein_Kampf . It seems that Hitler did not write those words. He wrote something similar to the first part as part of a longer bit on eugenics.

    On edit: As I was posting this, someone beat me to it, and even quoted the wiki. Kudos.

    There are so many mythological quotes on the 'Net that I try to research every quote before I post it.
    Last edited by eye95; 12-12-2013 at 07:23 AM.

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    Can i quote you on that.[dang.....?].

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    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...ok-Anniversary

    Washington Post Crowdsources 'Gun Violence' Stories for Sandy Hook Anniversary


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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...ok-Anniversary

    Washington Post Crowdsources 'Gun Violence' Stories for Sandy Hook Anniversary
    Here's an idea, you guys judge for yourselves:

    Take a picture of yourself holding at chest level your holstered handgun and a poster board with "___ times this saved me." (Granted, it was the user, not the gun in and of itself and we can split hairs and individual molecules some other time but please, let us stick to the main point of this thread)

    Smile, and maybe even have the wife in the photo.
    Maybe the latest addition to your family clan?

    It's non political, non-discriminatory, and it's your "gun number."
    Show them that normal people carry, not just the movie types.
    Last edited by Rusty Young Man; 12-12-2013 at 12:11 PM.
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

    “Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” - Frederic Bastiat

    "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." - Edmund Burke

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    My having removed my firearm from its holster has never saved me. It is impossible to say how many times my choice to wear a gun has saved me or anyone else.

    I can say that some children died at Sandy Hook because no one had a gun to defend them.


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