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    Crime in Canada

    Hey all,


    I've been curious about how much crime there is in Canada. I'm not going to bother looking up statistics since they're often skewed (at least they are here). From what you've seen/experienced, do you guys have many shootings, assaults, armed robberies, murders, home invasions, rapes etc.?

    Over here all of the above happen frequently. Our strict gun laws obviously have not worked and I'm wondering if it's the same case for Canada, even though your gun laws are far better than ours.

    I understand you have the right to self-defense with a firearm, we technically do but it is a very, very grey area, meaning defending yourself with a firearm is basically illegal in 99% of circumstances.


    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DW98 View Post
    Hey all,


    I've been curious about how much crime there is in Canada. I'm not going to bother looking up statistics since they're often skewed (at least they are here). From what you've seen/experienced, do you guys have many shootings, assaults, armed robberies, murders, home invasions, rapes etc.?

    Over here all of the above happen frequently. Our strict gun laws obviously have not worked and I'm wondering if it's the same case for Canada, even though your gun laws are far better than ours.

    I understand you have the right to self-defense with a firearm, we technically do but it is a very, very grey area, meaning defending yourself with a firearm is basically illegal in 99% of circumstances.


    Thanks in advance.
    I live across the border from British Columbia, and there is quite a bit of crime up there, especially it seems the Surrey area.
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    I'm sorry to hear that.

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    I worked on a house for a Canadian couple, who were robbed 14 times at gun point in BC, they had a gun permit, but had to keep it locked up in a safe and so it was fairly ineffective for defense.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I worked on a house for a Canadian couple, who were robbed 14 times at gun point in BC, they had a gun permit, but had to keep it locked up in a safe and so it was fairly ineffective for defense.
    14 times?? What were they doing? Fences and medical marijuana dispenseries don't get robbed that much. I think your canadian friends are either a) exagerating b) involved in something crooked c) the most unlucky people in all of human history....
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I worked on a house for a Canadian couple, who were robbed 14 times at gun point in BC, they had a gun permit, but had to keep it locked up in a safe and so it was fairly ineffective for defense.
    Wow. Your friends are pretty unlucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I worked on a house for a Canadian couple, who were robbed 14 times at gun point in BC, they had a gun permit, but had to keep it locked up in a safe and so it was fairly ineffective for defense.
    Wow! I would love to know the story behind these 14 robberies. That is a lot!

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    They owned a jewelry shop in Vancouver.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    14 times?? What were they doing? Fences and medical marijuana dispenseries don't get robbed that much. I think your canadian friends are either a) exagerating b) involved in something crooked c) the most unlucky people in all of human history....
    Ignorance ignoring many other possibilities.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Yeah, surrey is bad for sure. Mostly the problems are related to a specific ethnicity, (trying not to sound racist)

    With the exception of the surrey area, and a couple specific larger populace cities, most towns don't have "crazy" crime rates. Since most smaller towns are rural there's a lot higher gun ownership which I'm sure has to have something to do with low crime rates.

    In terms of self defense, its basically this: if the bad guy has a knife, you can use a knife. If he has a bat, you can use a bat. If he has a gun, you can use a gun.
    Its stupid. I won't argue that. But I can say that if my door is ever kicked in, I'm not checking to see what he's got before I get my shotgun.

    Our charter of rights (similar to the US constitution) says that we can use whatever defense we deem necessary to protect ourselves, but unfortunately our courts and the majority of the population (new immigrants) don't see it that way.

    There have been cases (quite a few) of people successfully defending themselves or their homes with a firearm, but what the crown (governemnt prosecution) tries to nail them with is "unsafe storage" of said firearm. Since according to our [stupid] gun laws they need to be locked up at all times execept for "display", or "use in an authorized area", or in "transport".

    Changes (sounds like they'll be good ones" are supposedly in the future, but it could all go downhill (complete ban on handguns and semi-automatic weapons) if the liberal government gets in, in a couple years from now.

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    Welcome to the forum!
    I know the Indian community were having major problems in Surrey. I work for and have a lot of Indian friends, they are not afraid of discussing the problems in their community and neither should anyone else.

    For awhile there was a big fight on whether or not to sit in a chair or on the floor in their temple. People were getting shot over it.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Thanks for the welcome. I find your guys' (American) gun forums much better than the canadian based ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchunter View Post
    Thanks for the welcome. I find your guys' (American) gun forums much better than the canadian based ones.
    Welcome to the forum and greetings from sunny, dry Arizona, bchunter! I'll go ahead and say that if you're ever curious as to what an Arizona winter feels like (not as cold as you may experience up there), or for some reason decide to stroll on down to the Arid Zona, don't hesitate to let us know so we can plan a small get-together. DW98, I'm sure, remembers a similar invitation.

    OT: Does any area of Canada still limit the number of rounds a legal magazine can hold?
    Also, are you required to keep the ammo and gun separate (besides locking the gun up into near uselessness)?
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    I've been to AZ a couple of times for rock climbing, and I must say, the climate is very nice.

    Magazine capacity is a federal law, and it's 10 in a handgun (all calibers) and 5 in a semi-auto rifle, for certain calibres.

    You can keep your guns and ammo locked up together.


    Damn, talking about our guns laws makes me jealous of yours! Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchunter View Post
    I've been to AZ a couple of times for rock climbing, and I must say, the climate is very nice.

    Magazine capacity is a federal law, and it's 10 in a handgun (all calibers) and 5 in a semi-auto rifle, for certain calibres.

    You can keep your guns and ammo locked up together.


    Damn, talking about our guns laws makes me jealous of yours! Haha

    It's 10 for handguns here as well. Although we can only get a max of .45, but you can shoot .50's at ranges. Is it 5 for semi-automatic rifles in all cases? Last I checked semi-auto's in my state had a mag limit of 20. In other states you can get 30's. There's one state where they allow unlimited drum rounds for hunting. The Northern Territory apparently doesn't have a mag limit either.

    How hard is it to buy a handgun there? Since 2002 it's been made very difficult to buy one here. In my state it takes around a year of going to the range to compete in shooting competitions to prove that you have a genuine reason for owning one. After the first year only then you can buy one, and only a small caliber one at that for the first 6 months. It would take about a year and a half to get a Glock or Beretta. After you get your handgun license you can buy one every 48 hours.

    You can see my thread here: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...working-for-us to see how this strict gun control is working. There's been quite a few reported shootings in the past few days but I haven't bothered updating it.
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    Just certain calibre (larger) that have restricted mag sizes.
    Pretty easy to buy a handgun, only have to get your license, have proof of a gun club membership and your good to go. You can buy as many as you want. I think if you buy 50 or more at one time they'll ask why, but obviously its for "collecting"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchunter View Post
    Thanks for the welcome. I find your guys' (American) gun forums much better than the canadian based ones.

    Sad that our similar historical backgrounds founded on rights of Englishmen including to bear arms have been greatly eroded. They are working on it here in US too, having a strongly worded constitution helped out a lot.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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