American Patriot
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The Bill appear to give Ohioans the right to carry conceal with any permit or license and still retain a license for those who want to qualify to carry in other states that accept reciprocity.
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Ohio HB 387 - Constitutional Carry introuduced
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eye95
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I was trying to draw a distinction between prohibitions that impair someone from ownership or carry at all, as opposed to a generalized restriction of carry without a license. I just did so badly.
I don't care about certified wackos and violent felons being prohibited (yeah, I know many here do care). My concern in this thread is the removal of generalized restriction that apply to all, such as the requirement to have a license to carry loaded in a car.
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eye95
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And I don't mind that they make possible the license for reciprocity while not requiring it in Ohio. It's a good way to protect its citizens in other States. I am just afraid that the way they needlessly went about it in a complicated way opens the door from shenanigans from somebody.
Simple law is easy to follow. Complicated law is easy to accidentally break. KISYDAL!
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American Patriot
Regular Member
It appears that I dropped the "OUT" n my previous post. It should read:
"The Bill appear to give Ohioans the right to carry conceal withOUT any permit or license and still retain a license for those who want to qualify to carry in other states that accept reciprocity.
Of course I feel sure that the Bill was written by lawyers to insure job security.
"The Bill appear to give Ohioans the right to carry conceal withOUT any permit or license and still retain a license for those who want to qualify to carry in other states that accept reciprocity.
Of course I feel sure that the Bill was written by lawyers to insure job security.
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eye95
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I knew what you meant. My mind even filled in the "out" to make you sentence make perfect sense!
There oughtta be a law against overcomplicated law. Just write in a sentence or two what you think we should be barred from doing and vote on it! Use plain English, as understood by everyone, and avoid all the definitions.
When laws need that many definitions, lawmakers are doing something they have no business doing.
There oughtta be a law against overcomplicated law. Just write in a sentence or two what you think we should be barred from doing and vote on it! Use plain English, as understood by everyone, and avoid all the definitions.
When laws need that many definitions, lawmakers are doing something they have no business doing.
eye95
Well-known member
Hmmm....I bet not. In fact the law extends to non-CHL holders all the requirements for CHL holders. This law makes new crimes! Is that what they are up to? I need to read carefully. Maybe now non-CHL holders will need to show ID for OC? Gotta be careful.
SteveInCO
Regular Member
I believe I see eye95's point.
A much more optimal law would simply repeal (as in remove from the ORC) all prohibitions on carry of any type, perhaps replacing all that crud with a blanket ban on carry by prohibited persons to appease that crowd, and leave the permit process in place for people who want to travel out of state.
This puts yet another patch on a patchwork of laws, superficially seeming like the same result as what I just said above, but may very well be intended to apply rules (like ID) that apply only to CC now, on OCers as well.
A much more optimal law would simply repeal (as in remove from the ORC) all prohibitions on carry of any type, perhaps replacing all that crud with a blanket ban on carry by prohibited persons to appease that crowd, and leave the permit process in place for people who want to travel out of state.
This puts yet another patch on a patchwork of laws, superficially seeming like the same result as what I just said above, but may very well be intended to apply rules (like ID) that apply only to CC now, on OCers as well.
eye95
Well-known member
That is exactly my POV on the matter.
Maybe removal of wording would be seen by the anti's as a free for all.
They could run to the news media and cry 'open season in Ohio'. Just for schock value.
Where as a new law to let normal people skip the CCL process would not be seen as a free for all.
I seriously doubt they are trying to construct a legal trap.
They could run to the news media and cry 'open season in Ohio'. Just for schock value.
Where as a new law to let normal people skip the CCL process would not be seen as a free for all.
I seriously doubt they are trying to construct a legal trap.