I feel that while no one ideal is going to solve anything, we should all feel some of the same anger. Complaining about this is going to get us nowhere. Most of my point in starting this thread is to see if Stainless was right (which he was), and if a loop hole existed. That and to give me somewhere to put my mind other than reminding my grandfather who I am and where he is every 5 minutes. If somehow one where to be caught, is there enough room to maneuver through the court system with a good lawyer? (which I have) Now this whole thread is turned into a groan and p*** match. I seem to be the only other one here that is as mad as who ever this Luke poster is. Why is that?
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Carrying firearms at relatives residence.
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DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
In answer to the question, yes there is "wiggle room" with a good lawyer. However, a person can increase the probability of a successful defense by proper preparation. Were it me, I would devise a way to document any "possessory interest" in the home your wife may have. I think there is more than one way to do this.
Jared
Regular Member
BUT, BUT, BUT the constitution was handed down to George Washington by god on Mount Vernon. So don't worry about 750.227. In fact, if you burn a copy of MCL 750.227 then common law says that the law goes up in smoke and is null and void.
In fact there was no universe before the constitution was created (never mind that the Bill of Rights came a whole 12 years later).
In all seriousness, multiple attempts have been made to address Neal even though he won't listen anyway. This thread has turned into a circus.... and I thought Neal was banned from OCDO?
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DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
That was a very humorous post, Jared. Just wish I wasn't drinking a glass of milk while reading it!
I honestly don't think it's Neal; Neal usually did things for shock value, sort of playing the devil's advocate in what he saw as a type of "game". I understand his ban came about through a crowd of people demanding it.
If it is Neal, that would concern me because this was way beyond the aforementioned game.
I very clearly stated in my original post, that Stainless(Neil) is the one who told me to check and see if he was right about the law or not. He wishes he could post because of how people are acting about a common goal. Getting our rights back!!! Don't know who this Luke is but if every time you cry out, "It's Neil".... It shows me that you feel your losing the debate and want to get someone else banned from here for B.S. like most of you did to Neil.
22Luke36
Regular Member
Since the top minds on this forum have declared the constitution to be null and void, Why don't we all head down to Chicago and help the police in their confiscations, since what they are doing is not at all unconstitutional.
http://libertycrier.com/chicago-firearms-confiscation-begins/
I was primarily referring to the Michigan constitution not the US one that was invalid before the ink was dry I guess...
http://libertycrier.com/chicago-firearms-confiscation-begins/
I was primarily referring to the Michigan constitution not the US one that was invalid before the ink was dry I guess...
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Behavior like this will undoubtedly bring along the next Capone. Is Chicago stupid, or just blind? Fact, if they try and deprive you of something, someone will always find a way to get it for you. This is why gun laws and confiscation are futile. The only people that it will affect is the honest citizen.
22Luke36
Regular Member
How can we even take this seriously when its legality is determined by geographical location, or membership in a club. ie the LEO or CPL club.
Jared
Regular Member
Losing what debate? Dr. Todd and I answered your question MULTIPLE TIMES. You just don't like the answer. There is no debate to lose.
22Luke36
Regular Member
Well somebody must have lost the debate in Vermont Arizona and Alaska where the allegedly fictitious constitution is still believed in.
Jared
Regular Member
Have you considered the position that a true Christian would be a voluntarists (correct term for a true anarchists) and that they could not be a constitutionalists?
The constitution itself "authorizes" taxation and the use of force against your neighbor (outside of self defense).
From a biblical standpoint, taxation would logically be stealing and it's a sin. So the constitution authorizes sinful activity and is thus immoral.
Granted, every government operates on these principles and they don't give a flying flip or a rolling donut about a constitution or the "rule of law" because humans can't have a rule of law, instead it's a "rule of man".
I'm not trying to push your buttons, I think you should consider it. Because a true Christian couldn't support any government that operates on the use of force (taxation, prison etc) against another human being who has not directly harmed someone.
I've heard the give Caesar what is Caesar's line but it's misconstrued. Just because George Washington's face is on a dollar bill in my pocket doesn't mean it belongs to George Washington.
Jared
Regular Member
I lived in Arizona before they had "constitution carry" and it took a lot of work and many years to get that passed. Even now, Arizona has many places that "constitution carry" doesn't work in and they will arrest you for doing so and gladly put you in a cage.
Also, you mention Vermont. I have family there, the so called "free state" of Vermont constantly tramples on private property rights and has rampant socialism. So I hope CCW without a permit isn't your sole stick for measuring "freedom".
22Luke36
Regular Member
Washington is on the one dollar bill because it is the most commonly seen denomination. Washington is merely a representative of our nation, just as Caesar was the representative of Jesus' nation.
22Luke36
Regular Member
No, it's not my only measure.
What is endlessly frustrating for me, being a gun activist and a pot activist at the same time; politics for pot are usually left, and politics for guns are usually on the right.
22Luke36
Regular Member
I said I was a Christian, I am, but I'm not perfect. In fact, when I go to church, I go into a room full of sinners.
PistolPackingMomma
Regular Member
+1 to your well reasoned posts sir, and glad to see another reader of Spooner.
Jared
Regular Member
Brilliant way of dodging everything I eloquently stated. Cognitive dissonance????
I'm trying to get you not sound hypocritical and bigoted.
BTW swearing an oath to the constitution or pledging allegiance to anything is also against Christian principles.
Jared
Regular Member
You may want to recheck history. Being Christian was a Crime punishable by death during Jesus's time.
He never advocated supporting any government or the Roman Empire.... And he certainly didn't forsee the future and make an exception for a bunch of people in North America around 1776.
Jared
Regular Member
They have a documentary on that. It's called Guns and Weed I think. I've heard it's very informative.
Try reading my post again.....
I was pointing out that posters are once again claiming a "Stainless" presence in the force. The reason for my comment of losing the debate is you don't have to be right in the argument to win the debate. (just watch any presidential debate and you'll put at least this together) Obviously he got under you skin for you to take such a low blow and call him someone he is not. I know this because he(Luke) is still posting and Neil is here with me.
As far as your answer, you only answered my question once. Any other repeat of the same answer was redundant, I got it the first time. Does that mean I am going to go along with it, NO! Do I have a rent agreement, I wont say. I have taken the first step, now it is their turn. I guess it's nice to have the money where you can afford to take on the judicial system when they over step their ground.
And another thing...... I am not Neil!!! And for those of you who forgot here....
