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    Dearborn school board passes resolution prohibiting Open carry in schools

    http://dearborn.patch.com/groups/sch...-school-safety

    I could have sworn that pre-emption trumps this. I guess they didn't read the law.
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    Are they going to be able to enforce this or are they treading water to see where it goes?
    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
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    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
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    Some random person, "I will not give up safety because of a few misplaced concerns of the uneducated." end quote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneForAll View Post
    Are they going to be able to enforce this or are they treading water to see where it goes?
    Purely "Political Theater".
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    +1 Dr. Todd has the right of it and I would put money there is a media hound in the wing waiting for the already set up story. I hope they haven't decided that the cops will shot the person who challenges the law (sorry but this has prescripted media circus written all over it). It is a good one to take to court though as there is more then enough evidence that it is done in direct challenge and violation of state law (Wonder if sedition charges would stick). -Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    Purely "Political Theater".
    It surely is. This being the case & DPD's shown past behavior against others (pastor Jones) who offend their "opinion police"
    http://dearborn.patch.com/groups/pol...ty-of-dearborn
    I would suggest any action by the 2A/civil rights community be done in a large group. A single CPL OCer will most likely be taken to jail by the poopoo-monkeys in Deaborn's swinest.

    Onnie & I attended his speech at Dearborn city hall as observers. I watched the PD bring their helicopter 100 feet above him on purpose to drown out his speech. So much for: free speech, the right to assemble, the right to bear arms, etc.... The officials of Dearborn seem to think they can pick and choose which parts of the constitution they will obey.
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    I know you know this but, just for the edification of some readers here: the school board is composed of different individuals than the city council.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    I know you know this but, just for the edification of some readers here: the school board is composed of different individuals than the city council.
    Yet they all seem to be cut from the same soiled diaper cloth? Amazing one city can have so many tyrants at the helm. They (Dearborn officials) take full advantage of most of their population coming from countries with dictators in place. To these folks anything is better than where they came from and they are afraid of drawing attention. Given enough time Dearborn will be just like their last homes.
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    On a positive note - this is just a silly "resolution" it has no true weight of law behind it. It is like me saying: "I resolve that all women will worship at my feet and praise me - always. All road traffic shall part like the red sea for Moses when I am on the road. All food and drink shall be free of charge to me. NASA shall launch satellites just for me so I can watch ALL channels at all times....and so on... I may want these things...but chances are, it ain't going to happen!
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    That might not be the best idea. We all know how testy and PC people get when it comes to anything school related. Maybe it would be better to set up not a protest per se, but a single day where all of us that have kids in school just go to pick them up while carrying, be it schools in Portage and Kalamazoo, GR, Lansing, Dearborn or Newberry. Not make a big deal out of it, just calmly get the rugrats out of class. If the media get ahold of it, THEN some spokesman from the org can make some kind of statement about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSchaine View Post
    That might not be the best idea. We all know how testy and PC people get when it comes to anything school related. Maybe it would be better to set up not a protest per se, but a single day where all of us that have kids in school just go to pick them up while carrying, be it schools in Portage and Kalamazoo, GR, Lansing, Dearborn or Newberry. Not make a big deal out of it, just calmly get the rugrats out of class. If the media get ahold of it, THEN some spokesman from the org can make some kind of statement about it.
    Great first post; the force is strong in this one!
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

    'There is nothing more demoralizing than the fake non-violence of the weak and impotent.' MK Gandhi II-153 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)

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    CCers seem to always be front-and-center when the media covers OC at schools: "I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, I have a CCW (CPL), I don't feel the need to carry at a school, blah, blah, blah." I'd even wager that most members here and on MOC's website don't feel the need to carry at their child's school. Prepare yourself for the "friendly fire".
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    CCers seem to always be front-and-center when the media covers OC at schools: "I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, I have a CCW (CPL), I don't feel the need to carry at a school, blah, blah, blah." I'd even wager that most members here and on MOC's website don't feel the need to carry at their child's school. Prepare yourself for the "friendly fire".
    Quote Originally Posted by 22Luke36 View Post
    I hope there is never a need to carry a gun at a school.

    Maybe there is, since the schools aren't teaching them but that's a different story.
    That's exactly where people (law-abiding) need most to carry. PFZ's are "fish in barrel zones" for whack jobs! That's why they are almost always the target of crazies...they know the odds are very good that no one on site can return fire! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again & expecting a different result!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Luke36 View Post
    I hope there is never a need to carry a gun at a school.

    Maybe there is, since the schools aren't teaching them but that's a different story.
    Actually there is a NEED to carry anywhere you can, I just hope there is never a NEED to use it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezerharden View Post
    Actually there is a NEED to carry anywhere you can, I just hope there is never a NEED to use it!
    You took the words right out of my mouth....er, keyboard.

    How can anyone say there is no need to carry at a school? Haven't some of the most horrific incidents in the last few years happened at schools/colleges/universities? Places that are typically considered "gun free zones?" I would think that today, more than ever there is a need for reliable, honest citizens to carry for "the defense of themselves and the state" at our schools.

    If history has shown us anything, it has shown us that laws against carrying guns in schools are nothing more than false hope. And the school shootings have shown us that as usual, laws only affect the law-abiding citizens. If a crazy person or a criminal wants to do harm in a "gun free school zone," they will.
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    i hope the police know how to handle this. we may see more lawsuits popping up. pre-emption should take precident here

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