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    FBI foil terror plot

    Thread do over, no "cop bashing" please, this is about the FBI stopping the "terror plots, they plan, find patsys for, and then bust to great fanfare......



    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/13...port-fbi-says/


    Arrest made in attempt to bomb Wichita airport, FBI says

    A Kansas man who authorities say in the past made threats to engage in violent jihad against the U.S. was charged Friday for allegedly plotting to detonate a car bomb at the Wichita Mid-Continent Airport.

    Terry L. Loewen, 58, an aviation technician who FBI agents say was inspired by Usama bin Laden, spent months planning the attack and was intent on using his employee access card to drive the vehicle loaded with explosives to a terminal, Barry Grissom, the U.S. Attorney for the district of Kansas, said, citing the criminal complaint. Loewen planned on dying in the explosion as a martyr, Grissom said.

    The complaint says an undercover FBI employee told Loewen about a recent trip overseas and a meeting with members of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. This agent told Loewen that "brothers" were interested in his airport access, and asked if he'd be willing to plant "some type of device," the complaint said.


    "This incident is a reminder that we must remain vigilant and reaffirm our commitment to protecting this country and its ideals from those who wish to do us harm."

    - Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan

    Loewen allegedly responded, "Am I interested? Yes. I still need time to think about it, but I can't imagine anything short of arrest stopping me." The U.S. citizen allegedly wrote to the FBI agent that he was inspired by Usama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki.

    He was arrested at 5:30 a.m. without incident while trying to gain access to a tarmac, Grissom said. At the time, his access card did not work and he was with the vehicle he allegedly believed was filled with explosives.

    Authorities said there was never a bomb that could explode and the public was not in danger.

    Loewen has been under investigation by the Wichita Joint Terrorism Task Force since early summer 2013. It is alleged that in the past he has made statements that he was resolved to commit an act of violent jihad.

    The affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint alleges that Loewen studied the airport's layout, researched flight schedules, assisted in acquiring car bomb components and talked about sacrificing his own life in the attack.

    He faces three federal charges, including attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. If convicted, Loewen faces a life sentence in federal prison.

    Loewen made an initial court appearance Friday afternoon, answering "yes" in a strong voice to procedural questions. A U.S. magistrate ordered that he remain jailed at least until a hearing next Friday after prosecutors said he was a flight risk and a danger to the community.

    His wife and attorney declined comment after the hearing.

    "This incident is a reminder that we must remain vigilant and reaffirm our commitment to protecting this country and its ideals from those who wish to do us harm," Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., said in a statement.

    Authorities said they believe Loewen acted alone. No other arrests are expected.

    Wichita Mid-Continent Airport had 68 scheduled commercial flights on Friday, according to flight tracking site FlightAware.com.

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    FIB's say they foiled a terror plot, but to suggest otherwise is bashing?

    The FIB's gulled a weak mind into scapegoat-hood to increase their stature compared to the Department of Homeland Severity that's getting all the terrorism oxygen.

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    Please take time to watch this to understand the TRUE "terror" threat to this country. 21 terror plots since 9-11 3 were inept bumbling fools on their own, the other 18 were inept bumbling fools found, fostered, controlled and busted by the Govt. in their own plot. This was the exact scenario that lead to the 1993 WTC bombing, an FBI informant built that bomb that exploded in the WTC parking garage and killed 6? people.


    FBI Fake Terror Plot History: Judge Napolitano

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwTpJ1EoV6A

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    Do not bash the police, this topic needs to be discussed. I don't know what was said against the police in the previous thread, but please don't repeat it.

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    Jeff I agree. I really don't know where the line is or the exact process they use to get these guys but its clear at least some are just straight bad dudes. As quoted with the 21 incidents that FBI had nothing to do with.

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    The persistence of terrorism (and its accusation) is harsh criticism of police policing in the United States. Their methods are harsh and ineffective. The end does NOT justify the means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The persistence of terrorism (and its accusation) is harsh criticism of police policing in the United States. Their methods are harsh and ineffective. The end does NOT justify the means.
    Nightmare I don't see the connection of foreign terrorist organizations to the "harsh and ineffective" policing.

    I can get behind that statement for home grown bad guys like sovereign citizens. That I can see they would tie to how they feel they are treated.

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    Holy Toledo, get a load of Terry Loewen, "Muslim" Terrorist. Mentally challenged is written all over his face.

    http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/12...QICUAA9FKh.jpg


    http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/12/te...irport-kansas/


    With that last name, was he a mentally challenged Amish or Mennonite Muslim?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    The persistence of terrorism (and its accusation) is harsh criticism of police policing in the United States. Their methods are harsh and ineffective. The end does NOT justify the means.

    Yeah, you'd think that everywhere is like Detroit ....

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    I don't know anything about this incident, but after studying 1993 WTC and TWA flight 800 I cannot trust the FBI. It is a very, very corrupt institution.

    What's incredible about the WTC incident was that the mainstream media admitted it was a false flag. It was big news, but only for a short time. To my knowledge, it was the only false flag admitted by the corporate media.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    I didn't think that "foil" in the thread title referred to tin foil. Clearly, based on the above post, it should have.

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    This issue should concern all Americans.

    While the FBI goes after non terrorists the real terrorists are left alone and free to plot attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I didn't think that "foil" in the thread title referred to tin foil. Clearly, based on the above post, it should have.
    The truth is unsettling but I suggest you do some research. The information on TWA 800 is still copious and easily available. There was even a good documentary produced this year. As Napolitano said in the above video Jeffstate linked to, the leadership is very corrupt.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    The truth is unsettling but I suggest you do some research. The information on TWA 800 is still copious and easily available. There was even a good documentary produced this year. As Napolitano said in the above video Jeffstate linked to, the leadership is very corrupt.
    Yeah, katsung will be along with that "truth" momentarily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Yeah, katsung will be along with that "truth" momentarily.


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    Just because many conspiracies are BS doesn't mean all are. In fact, if the majority were true, it would undo the power any real conspiracy had. The TWA thing isn't really a conspiracy as much as a coverup. I literally couldn't finish the latest doc, it made me so sick. Your attitude would be highly offensive to the victims' families.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I didn't think that "foil" in the thread title referred to tin foil. Clearly, based on the above post, it should have.
    eye95: You do know don't you, that the bomb in the 1993 WTC bombing was built by an FBI informant with their knowledge and approval, don't you??????


    It is a known FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    eye95: You do know don't you, that the bomb in the 1993 WTC bombing was built by an FBI informant with their knowledge and approval, don't you??????


    It is a known FACT.
    That's what's remarkable about the incident, it's well known, Geraldo Rivera called it a false flag on national tv. Usually Eye's opinions are much better informed.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    FBI Foils Terror Plot

    Oh, I always believe the FBI. They're a fountain of credibility. Paragons of virtue.

    If anybody doubts this just ask:

    Randy Weaver.
    Dr. Richard Hatfill
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    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    "This incident is a reminder that we must remain vigilant and reaffirm our commitment to protecting this country and its ideals from those who wish to do us harm."

    - Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan

    Oh, yes. I agree. The federal government needs to be watched very closely, including you Senator.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, yes. I agree. The federal government needs to be watched very closely, including you Senator.
    Makes you wonder if they believe what they're saying. I vote no. Don't understand the LE fetish. I know many good and gracious and gun freedom loving people who are afflicted with the disorder. They say I have disorder, of course, despite the clear and constant stream of evidence to the contrary.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    War on terror is expanding notice the government agent the bad guys "sovereign citizens", interestingly enough a name he was trying to stick to me because of my belief that the current government has gone way beyond it's limits.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    War on terror is expanding notice the government agent the bad guys "sovereign citizens", interestingly enough a name he was trying to stick to me because of my belief that the current government has gone way beyond it's limits.
    Anyone who stands up for the Constitution meaning EXACTLY what it says is beginning to be labeled and SC. If you stand for an Individuals rights over the attempted trampling by The Govt. you are labeled a "Sovereign".

    It will only get worse. This isn't going to turn itself around, kids in public schools are assimilated/dumbed down more every day. No one is making any kind of move to draw a line in the sand, It should have happened with the Bank Bailouts in 08, it should have happened during the debate of Obamacare.

    Americans are slowly inch by inch giving into a complete takeover of their lives and this FAKE TERROR threat is a big part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    Anyone who stands up for the Constitution meaning EXACTLY what it says is beginning to be labeled and SC. If you stand for an Individuals rights over the attempted trampling by The Govt. you are labeled a "Sovereign".

    It will only get worse. This isn't going to turn itself around, kids in public schools are assimilated/dumbed down more every day. No one is making any kind of move to draw a line in the sand, It should have happened with the Bank Bailouts in 08, it should have happened during the debate of Obamacare.

    Americans are slowly inch by inch giving into a complete takeover of their lives and this FAKE TERROR threat is a big part of it.
    Jeff do you believe there are no foreign terrorists trying to harm us? Please just trying to get a yes or no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Jeff do you believe there are no foreign terrorists trying to harm us? Please just trying to get a yes or no.

    I am sure there are plenty of PEOPLE wanting to harm us in, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, etc. Their abilities to harm us however are extremely limited, I would liken it to a welfare recipient in the hills of West Virginia wanting to blow up Mecca. It aint going to happen.

    What is a "terrorist" anyway? Does a robbery victim not feel terror, how about assault, rape, murder??????

    How about bombing countless villages on the other side of the planet, killing thousands of innocent people, waging a war based on lies that was responsible for a million deaths. Would the perpetrator of those acts be considered a "terrorist"??????


    The answer, NO I don't believe "foreign terrorists" are trying to harm us. I believe a very large percentage of the Middle East population would like to though, deservedly so. Their means are virtually nonexistent however.

    Your question does not negate the FACT that nearly ALL of the "thwarted" attempts were created, fostered, equipped, recruited for, etc. BY THE FBI! Even the "successful attack in 1993 on the WTC would not have happened without the FBI.


    We will reap what we have sown from the Middle East, however nearly all of what has been reaped so far is of OUR GOVERNMENTS doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff. State View Post
    Anyone who stands up for the Constitution meaning EXACTLY what it says is beginning to be labeled and SC. If you stand for an Individuals rights over the attempted trampling by The Govt. you are labeled a "Sovereign".

    It will only get worse. This isn't going to turn itself around, kids in public schools are assimilated/dumbed down more every day. No one is making any kind of move to draw a line in the sand, It should have happened with the Bank Bailouts in 08, it should have happened during the debate of Obamacare.

    Americans are slowly inch by inch giving into a complete takeover of their lives and this FAKE TERROR threat is a big part of it.
    Of course, the lie here is the government's smear of the term sovereign citizen.

    The government carefully omits that the only legitimate way it has or maintains power is precisely because its citizens are sovereign. The usual argument is "the will of the people", etc. Meaning collective sovereignty. But, even then, many in the pro-liberty crowd never recognized or overlooked that collective sovereignty cannot possibly arise without individual sovereignty. That is to say, if the individual isn't sovereign, you can't possibly have collective sovereignty. All you'd have is a big group of unsovereign individuals. Of course, government today is going to steer very, very wide of that discussion.

    The laughable part is that those stooges in government who present the term soveriegn citizen negatively are actively undermining their own legitimacy.

    Of course, any moment now, somebody will come along and say its the militia crowd, etc., who've dirtied the term. Such argument would fall short. Its too easy to see that government takes advantage of the opportunity to smear the term, rather than call attention to misuse by militia, etc., correcting by explanation and refutation.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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