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    Why are school shooters often pro "gun control" socialists?

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...rol-socialist/

    Add him to the Illinois shooter, the gabby giffords, and the Aurora shooter, and the navy yard shooter, off the top of my head

    Projection I guess. I've talked to a few pro "gun control" people and they've cited "I wouldn't trust myself with a gun" as a valid reason for trampling rights.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Well they tend to be young which means they tend to have their parents opinions. Ergo, their parents are control freaks. Ergo, living in a house with a control freak makes you inclined to shoot people.

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    Very simply this: Without some sort of provocation to keep the gun control mantra alive and well, it would soon die a natural death. But, by instigating these incidents the pro-gun-control socialists/progressives/darn communists keep the mantra alive, well, and always on the front burner albeit on a low simmer.

    Each and every one of these people is well aware that unless and until they can disarm the citizenry, their plans for a tyrannical socialist dictatorship cannot be realized. Look at every nation where the ownership of firearms has been either severely restricted or completely curtailed and you will see politicians of the same stripe as the ones here behind it all.

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    Those people do not collect guns to protect themselves (mainly for our own guberment) ...
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    Have any of the major school shootings been done by a Christian ?

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    Probably all of them, depending on your inclination to the "no true scotsman". Just by way of statistics, not trying to say anything else.
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    Oh I see guys...... its not because he was bullied and snapped and **** people.... its clearly because of his political views.

    Cmon.... is this a katsung thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Oh I see guys...... its not because he was bullied and snapped and **** people.... its clearly because of his political views.

    Cmon.... is this a katsung thread?

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    Is that what I said? The bigger point is that their politics are almost always ignored by the media. If he was an NRA or GOA member they would be all over it. The Denver Post removed reference to his political views. There is a narrative in the media about "right wing extremists", "teabaggers" etc ad infinitum.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Is that what I said? The bigger point is that their politics are almost always ignored by the media. If he was an NRA or GOA member they would be all over it. The Denver Post removed reference to his political views. There is a narrative in the media about "right wing extremists", "teabaggers" etc ad infinitum.
    He was white. The media isn't playing that up. Start a thread that its only white guys that do it. Or young males.

    I'm pretty sure I know why they have that narrative and they don't need a school shooter to prove it to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Very simply this: Without some sort of provocation to keep the gun control mantra alive and well, it would soon die a natural death. But, by instigating these incidents the pro-gun-control socialists/progressives/darn communists keep the mantra alive, well, and always on the front burner albeit on a low simmer.

    Each and every one of these people is well aware that unless and until they can disarm the citizenry, their plans for a tyrannical socialist dictatorship cannot be realized. Look at every nation where the ownership of firearms has been either severely restricted or completely curtailed and you will see politicians of the same stripe as the ones here behind it all.

    Who? Me? Paranoid? Maybe, but that still doesn't mean they aren't out to get me!!
    I hope you're right SFC, but I don't see it. In our atomized, effete, dumbed down, and ignorant society, about the only thing the right to bear arms is good for is making sure the government can't murder us door to door at will or put us in camps. I think we'll put up with anything short of that. I'm ready to go to war now ( at first through mass noncompliance), but then I'd just be a lone nut. To be sure, the tyranny is so hard core in the UK (they're always about 10-20 year ahead of us in the march towards 1984) it could very well be headed that way (mass murder, camps, etc)
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    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    I hope you're right SFC, but I don't see it. In our atomized, effete, dumbed down, and ignorant society, about the only thing the right to bear arms is good for is making sure the government can't murder us door to door at will or put us in camps. I think we'll put up with anything short of that. I'm ready to go to war now ( at first through mass noncompliance), but then I'd just be a lone nut. To be sure, the tyranny is so hard core in the UK (they're always about 10-20 year ahead of us in the march towards 1984) it could very well be headed that way (mass murder, camps, etc)
    You nailed it 77... maybe this post is why the main stream media runs with the labels. There was a school shooting and your on here swearing the .gov is going to start mass murders and camps. To boot you say "your ready to go to war now". Good job keep feeding the libs good quotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    You nailed it 77... maybe this post is why the main stream media runs with the labels. There was a school shooting and your on here swearing the .gov is going to start mass murders and camps. To boot you say "your ready to go to war now". Good job keep feeding the libs good quotes.

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    "At first, through mass noncompliance". It's called civil disobedience and it's as American as apple pie.

    I'm suspicious that you're always wrong on purpose. I'm about done feeding the cop troll.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    "At first, through mass noncompliance". It's called civil disobedience and it's as American as apple pie.

    I'm suspicious that you're always wrong on purpose. I'm about done feeding the cop troll.
    77 I acknowledge you said with civil disobedience first. I give you that. But your also quick to jump to the go to war part and masses murder and camps.

    And last time I checked disagreeing with you and your violent speech doesn't make me wrong.

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    Before we get too deep in the odoriferous stuff, stop and consider one thing: What is the background and previous home environment of this rash of shooters. The latest one, in Colorado, was labeled as a socialist/progressive in the media and, supposedly, by some of his classmates. I'm not a psychologist, psychiatrist, nor do I play one on television, but I'd be willing to bet that there is a common thread there somewhere.

    As concerns the question, "Have any of the major school shootings been done by a Christian?" posed by Onus; there is a very good possibility that one or more of these people claimed to be Christian. Claiming to be Christian does not make one a true follower of the Nazarene Carpenter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Before we get too deep in the odoriferous stuff, stop and consider one thing: What is the background and previous home environment of this rash of shooters. The latest one, in Colorado, was labeled as a socialist/progressive in the media and, supposedly, by some of his classmates. I'm not a psychologist, psychiatrist, nor do I play one on television, but I'd be willing to bet that there is a common thread there somewhere.



    As concerns the question, "Have any of the major school shootings been done by a Christian?" posed by Onus; there is a very good possibility that one or more of these people claimed to be Christian. Claiming to be Christian does not make one a true follower of the Nazarene Carpenter.
    IMO, they're little Lenins, little Mao's, little Marxists frustrated that they can't attain to that level of power and attention. Marx claimed to love humanity, but was intolerable at intimate relationships. I highly recommend this book which looks at the dissolute private lives of many so-called "intellectuals":http://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-...=intellectuals.



    Yep, such a common theme in the Bible. Christ harped on it almost to the point of overdoing it for emphasis, yet so many people who haven't studied the bible say Christians are responsible for X,Y,Z horrors, most commonly referring to the Crusades.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Because it is the easiest way for a liberal socialist to shoot up a large population without someone being armed..... HELLO!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmr287 View Post
    Because it is the easiest way for a liberal socialist to shoot up a large population without someone being armed..... HELLO!!!!!!

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    Makes you wonder why liberal socialists, who largely control tax funded schools, hate children so much that they demand no adult be able to protect them. Pretty disgusting.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Again the cop jumps in to bash without fully comprehending what was said.

    It is a good question, and should be asked, I look at Republicans and Democrats as on the pseudo left but it seems the more hard core leftist have a history of these shootings.

    It is also a good question to ask why they are also mostly white.

    We can't be afraid of asking politically incorrect questions if we are serious about finding out the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    He was white. The media isn't playing that up. Start a thread that its only white guys that do it. Or young males.

    I'm pretty sure I know why they have that narrative and they don't need a school shooter to prove it to them.

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    Such a thread would be entirely inaccurate. Perhaps that is why one isn't created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...rol-socialist/

    Add him to the Illinois shooter, the gabby giffords, and the Aurora shooter, and the navy yard shooter, off the top of my head

    Projection I guess. I've talked to a few pro "gun control" people and they've cited "I wouldn't trust myself with a gun" as a valid reason for trampling rights.
    Your thread title and claim is not factually sound. I recently corrected another poster on this similar topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by cirrusly
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...chool-shooting

    Sandy Hook Elementary shooter: Adam Lanza had " a conservative worldview. [...] He was always very free-market economics and capitalism, as I think most people are in this country."
    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...and-his-mother

    Aurora shooter: "[James] Holmes [...] had 'middle-of-the-road' political views..."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...s-of-mind.html
    Please ensure your posts are factually accurate prior to posting. Dissemination of emotional-based "facts" only give ammunition to gun-grabbers.
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    Satan not "left"/"right" is the common thread with these psychos. That and SSRI's which IMO unlock the soul to "hostile takeover", by the Dark side.

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    Media Works To Keep Mass Shooters’ Profiles Secret

    Democratic socialist occultists make up majority of mass shooters

    Mikael Thalen
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    An undeniable pattern has continued to emerge in light of mass shootings, despite the media’s attempt to avoid connecting the dots.

    In the wake of recent high-profile shootings, the media can almost immediately be seen attempting to link deranged shooters with the political right. As facts come in, the desire to connect shooters to their political ideologies quickly erodes, as the same anti-depressant taking, left-wing, occultist profile emerges.

    In 2011, Tuscon, Arizona shooter Jared Loughner, who viciously murdered six people in his unsuccessful attempt to kill U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, was immedietly deemed a “right-winger.” It was soon learned that Loughner was a left-wing liberal obsessed with drugs, mind-control, dressing like the grim reaper and engaging in occult rituals.

    Despite initial reports attempting to paint the same picture, information now shows that last week’s shooter in Colorado, Karl Halverson Pierson, was a devoted and “opinionated socialist” who blamed gun violence on Republicans.



    Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza, who murdered 20 children and six teachers, exhibited identical traits. Although the media attempted to connect Lanza to the NRA, this was later found to be inaccurate. Instead, Lanza, who admittedly had mental health issues, was obsessed with playing video games and updating his ’online devil worshiping page.’

    Aurora theater shooter James Holmes, who was falsely labeled a member of the Tea Party by ABC News, was linked to fringe elements of the Occupy movement by renowned private investigator Bill Warner.

    Hooked on several prescription drugs including pain killers, Holmes began stockpiling weapons after entering a neuroscience class to learn the inner-workings of the human brain.

    Similarly, going back to the tragic Columbine shooting, left-wing shooters Harrison and Klebold, who reffered to themselves as “gods,” were know to take SSRI’s for mental health issues.

    Spending hours playing video games like Doom, the pair reportedly obsessed over death and the occult. The same profile – occult obsessed, leftist mass murderers – can be traced back to countless others from Son of Sam, to the Night Stalker, to National Socialist Adolf Hitler.

    Despite millions of responsible Americans owning firearms to protect against such types, calls to disarm law-abiding citizens have already begun in states like California and New York. Even with gun homicide hitting a 20-year low, the media still refuses to link the common traits of most mass shootings.

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    It's quite possible that shooters have a lot of things in common because kids today have a lot of things in common, and that there's no causal effect. I think the SSRI thing is reasonable and its a pity that it gets buried, but then the people who raise that connection quite often weigh it down with so much additional baggage that it's hard to see how the average person would be receptive.

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    A reasonable question, at least to determine if they professed to be a Christian

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    Probably all of them, depending on your inclination to the "no true scotsman". Just by way of statistics, not trying to say anything else.
    I doubt that they professed to be Christian, but they might have. It is one of those things that the MSM is likely to have pounced on, if the facts were in evidence.

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    Leftists tend to be unhappy people. Happy people do not shoot up schools

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    Oh I see guys...... its not because he was bullied and snapped and **** people.... its clearly because of his political views.

    Cmon.... is this a katsung thread?

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    Numerous studies on happyness have shown a clear differentiation between people on the left and conservatives.

    Here is a monograph on: The Motivations of Political Leftists (There is a companion monograph on conservatives)

    The Motivations of Political Leftists

    http://tongue-tied2.blogspot.com/200...ttempt-to.html

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    Oh sure. I mean, 80% of this country are recorded as Christian but only 43% attend church weekly. I'm just saying, if you go by that 80% then it stands to reason most or all of them were baptized and had attended church at least sporadically, actual worldviews notwithstanding.

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