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    Colorado Shooting

    I find it both interesting - and disturbing - that there have been inordinate number (TWENTY) of mass shootings since you elected Barack Hussein Obama as your "president". If you believe in "coincidence" then you can explain it away. However, if you believe that somewhere there is a cause behind every event, it is not that easy.

    Your president is the representative of a political party that has been pushing for disarming Americans for many years. The Constitution is a stumbling block to the achievement of that goal. So, he avoids the Constitution whenever it restricts him from achieving his goal of disarming the citizens, and installing himself as president for life. But... he must have at least SOME popular support to reach his goal. He must convince people that he is acting for their own good... because he knows best. How to do that? Find some weak-minded people, brainwash them, and sic them on the public, using firearms to kill folks... especially children. There's more to it than that, but there's not enough room here to write a book. Just my 2’ worth...
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    Conspiracies are occasionally revealed as accurate but it's never said that the conspiracy theorists were right, even when they were.
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    The OP statements don't jive with the title of the thread - where is the connection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The OP statements don't jive with the title of the thread - where is the connection?
    Sorry 'bout that, I guess it wasn't clear. The Colorado shooting is the most recent of this type of unwarranted armed murderous behavior.
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    This heavy 800 page book written during WW-II that I am reading, addresses the conspiracy theory of history and concludes,

    "Conspiracies occur, it must be admitted. But the striking fact which, in spite of their occurrence, disproves the conspiracy theory is that few of these conspiracies are ultimately successful. Conspirators rarely consummate their conspiracy. [ ... ] [T]he conspiracy theory of society cannot be true because it amounts to the assertion that all results, ... are the intended results of the actions of people who are interested in these results."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Sorry 'bout that, I guess it wasn't clear. The Colorado shooting is the most recent of this type of unwarranted armed murderous behavior.
    I guess you do not watch the news.....unwarranted murderous behavior happens several times each day in America.

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    Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

    The increase in shootings is not be design. It is a result of the stupid attempts to "control guns." All they are doing is opening up shooting galleries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Sorry 'bout that, I guess it wasn't clear. The Colorado shooting is the most recent of this type of unwarranted armed murderous behavior.
    So if I understand you right, you are suggesting a conspiracy therory to explain some or all of these incidents.

    First we need to set some parameters. Are mass shooting up or down in the USA - there is argument of both sides. 'm not convinced there is an increase.

    "While there are clusters, which may be due to copycatting, there's no obvious pattern. They're neither rising nor falling, and the highest fatality shooting took place while the assault-weapons ban was in place.


    Unfortunately, as is often the case, the bad numbers drove out the good. "Mass shootings rising rapidly!" is the kind of headline that grabs the reader and invites people to email it to half their friends. "Mass shootings neither up nor down, as far as we can tell!" is not nearly so compelling."
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-the-rise.html

    James A. Fox referenced in the above article also says not.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Alan_Fox
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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post
    I guess you do not watch the news.....unwarranted murderous behavior happens several times each day in America.
    I guess you do not read posts. My OP refers to "mass murders", which (thankfully) do not happen "several times each day in America". In my second post, the "this type" refers back to those same "mass murders". Pax...
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    I just wanted to say, in reference to the 'Colorado shooting'...

    Not a single F-bomb was given by me, or the rest of the world/US/Ky/Universe/Species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    So if I understand you right, you are suggesting a conspiracy therory to explain some or all of these incidents.

    First we need to set some parameters. Are mass shooting up or down in the USA - there is argument of both sides. 'm not convinced there is an increase.

    "While there are clusters, which may be due to copycatting, there's no obvious pattern. They're neither rising nor falling, and the highest fatality shooting took place while the assault-weapons ban was in place.


    Unfortunately, as is often the case, the bad numbers drove out the good. "Mass shootings rising rapidly!" is the kind of headline that grabs the reader and invites people to email it to half their friends. "Mass shootings neither up nor down, as far as we can tell!" is not nearly so compelling."
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-the-rise.html

    James A. Fox referenced in the above article also says not.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Alan_Fox
    The following excerpt is from politico.com (numerous other sites cite the same source) - Fair use applies:
    WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday the average number of mass shooting incidents has tripled in recent years.
    Between 2000 and 2008, the U.S. experienced an average of five mass shootings every year. Since then the annual average has tripled, Holder said. So far in 2013, there have been at least 12, he said.
    According to Justice Department figures on mass shootings, 404 people were shot and 207 people were killed from 2009 to 2012. From 2000 to 2008, 324 people were shot and 145 were killed.

    Details at: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...#ixzz2nciOBnFX

    I do not consider my brief outline of circumstances that I believe could be driven by the designs of the left - up to and including high-level government officials - to be a genuine "conspiracy theory". I don't know of anyone who shares my belief, and most conspiray theories have a following of some kind. My theory has a following of none. Given a population of roughly 308M people, the odds are that there would be at least a handful that would agree with me - IF they knew my thoughts on the proliferation of mass shootings. My first post, claiming 20 mass shootings stopped in December 2012, and did not include the 2013 figure cited by OHolder - which would bring my original figure up to 32 mass shootings since Obama's election. Extrapolating that number out based on the 6.4 average mass shootings per year, Obama's "watch" is on its way to 51.2 mass shootings by the end of his second term (assuming the annual rate remains the same). We can only hope that statistical projection is substantially high.

    From Jan 2000- Sep 2008 there were 16 mass shootings in 8 years (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ngs-map?page=2), vs a projected 51.2 over the same period of time... the number will have increased (mathematically) by 3.2 times. But, it is not the numbers that caused me to form my personal opinion. It is the actions of various government agencies (DHS, NSA, CIA, FBI, etc.) in the recent past, historical evidence of an untrustworthy government (ask a Native American about that), domestic spying by the agents of government, the implementation of the so-called "Patriot Act" and the "NDAA" (which essentially marginalize the 1st and 4th Amendments), the rogue/unconstitutional actions of the police and National Guard units in New Orleans during Katrina, the militarization of LEAs, the Benghazi coverup, etc, etc, etc., that brought me to my conclusion. The "Manchurian Candidate" was not a work of fiction when it was written in 1959... only the characters. The capability to create such an "asset" had existed for several decades. When our government generates this much "smoke", something has to be on fire... I believe it's the smell of our Constitution gradually smoldering. There are alarms sounding, but they are being ignored by far too many sheeple. Pax...
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    Keeping in the spirit of this thread.....the shooter was a lefty and devout socialist.....hmm.

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    Apparently more harm wasn't done because someone else had a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Apparently more harm wasn't done because someone else had a gun.
    And he was openly carrying that gun. I'm always told that an OC ban is no big deal because I'd just get shot first anyway. Except the evidence says otherwise. Oh well.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Yep - we should ask Eric Holder to settle the question. He would not lie, distort, evade, or otherwise give a false impression.

    He is after all an honorable man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    I guess you do not read posts. My OP refers to "mass murders", which (thankfully) do not happen "several times each day in America". In my second post, the "this type" refers back to those same "mass murders". Pax...
    Yes I do, but ones like this tend to make my eyes cross and my head hurt, so I see them as irrational and tend to disregard them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notalawyer View Post
    Yes I do, but ones like this tend to make my eyes cross and my head hurt, so I see them as irrational and tend to disregard them.
    Thinking outside the government-sanctioned box is only "irrational" to those enclosed within that box. There's an old saying, which claims:
    There are three kinds of people in the world - those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what happened.
    Perhaps I will be surprised if some things I expect to happen do not happen in the near future... but, I believe that - based upon history - in the end, it will be a much greater surprise for you. Please accept my deepest sympathies for your inability to escape that box. Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    And he was openly carrying that gun. I'm always told that an OC ban is no big deal because I'd just get shot first anyway. Except the evidence says otherwise. Oh well.
    I don't remember any references to an OCer in the coverage. If you can link a story that mentions that, I'd love to add it the to Kennesaw Waffle House story to help illustrate the usefulness of OC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brace View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I don't remember any references to an OCer in the coverage. If you can link a story that mentions that, I'd love to add it the to Kennesaw Waffle House story to help illustrate the usefulness of OC.


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    Eye if he was talking about the most recent shooting then I believe a school resource officer (Leo) was present and showed up with 2 other security guards. I'm assuming he was ocng his duty weapon. I may be wrong and he may have been referring to someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
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    Flagrant misgendering: check.

    Back on topic, has anybody noticed that this exactly fits the infographic about the role of firearms in stopping spree shootings? I'm talking about this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brace View Post
    ... has anybody noticed that this exactly fits the infographic about the role of firearms in stopping spree shootings? I'm talking about this one.
    I heard on the radio the cops had specifically changed their response tactics after the Sandy Hook shooting - instead of gathering outside, they now immediately charge to the area of shooting. Understand the first responder got there in 80 seconds or so after the shooter entered the library hall. Also understand a janitor sounded the lock-down alarm. Perhaps this response w/b different than that give to CHL holders, but if I worked at a school and (legally) carried, I would think that is why I w/b carrying - to stop the threat/shooter and protect the innocent.

    Prayers to the seriously injured bystander girl and her family. G-ds grace & mercy to comfort her. Have not heard anything about her other than 'she was shot at very close range, in the head, with a shotgun'. That does not sound encouraging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Thinking outside the government-sanctioned box is only "irrational" to those enclosed within that box. There's an old saying, which claims:
    Perhaps I will be surprised if some things I expect to happen do not happen in the near future... but, I believe that - based upon history - in the end, it will be a much greater surprise for you. Please accept my deepest sympathies for your inability to escape that box. Pax...
    You forgot the fourth kind: Those that see conspiracies in everything!

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