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Colorado Shooting

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Primus

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I don't remember any references to an OCer in the coverage. If you can link a story that mentions that, I'd love to add it the to Kennesaw Waffle House story to help illustrate the usefulness of OC.


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Eye if he was talking about the most recent shooting then I believe a school resource officer (Leo) was present and showed up with 2 other security guards. I'm assuming he was ocng his duty weapon. I may be wrong and he may have been referring to someone else.

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Only for you, stud-boi~ <3 ;)

Flagrant misgendering: check.

Back on topic, has anybody noticed that this exactly fits the infographic about the role of firearms in stopping spree shootings? I'm talking about this one.

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... has anybody noticed that this exactly fits the infographic about the role of firearms in stopping spree shootings? I'm talking about this one.

I heard on the radio the cops had specifically changed their response tactics after the Sandy Hook shooting - instead of gathering outside, they now immediately charge to the area of shooting. Understand the first responder got there in 80 seconds or so after the shooter entered the library hall. Also understand a janitor sounded the lock-down alarm. Perhaps this response w/b different than that give to CHL holders, but if I worked at a school and (legally) carried, I would think that is why I w/b carrying - to stop the threat/shooter and protect the innocent.

Prayers to the seriously injured bystander girl and her family. G-ds grace & mercy to comfort her. Have not heard anything about her other than 'she was shot at very close range, in the head, with a shotgun'. That does not sound encouraging.
 

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Thinking outside the government-sanctioned box is only "irrational" to those enclosed within that box. There's an old saying, which claims:
Perhaps I will be surprised if some things I expect to happen do not happen in the near future... but, I believe that - based upon history - in the end, it will be a much greater surprise for you. Please accept my deepest sympathies for your inability to escape that box. :rolleyes: Pax...

You forgot the fourth kind: Those that see conspiracies in everything! :shocker:
 

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I heard on the radio the cops had specifically changed their response tactics after the Sandy Hook shooting - instead of gathering outside, they now immediately charge to the area of shooting. Understand the first responder got there in 80 seconds or so after the shooter entered the library hall. Also understand a janitor sounded the lock-down alarm. Perhaps this response w/b different than that give to CHL holders, but if I worked at a school and (legally) carried, I would think that is why I w/b carrying - to stop the threat/shooter and protect the innocent.

Prayers to the seriously injured bystander girl and her family. G-ds grace & mercy to comfort her. Have not heard anything about her other than 'she was shot at very close range, in the head, with a shotgun'. That does not sound encouraging.

HP Matt the practice of sitting and waiting actually started to change right after Columbine shooting. Now we do yearly active shooter training actually in our schools.

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: Colorado Shooting

"... the cops ... now immediately charge to the area of shooting... But if I worked at a school and (legally) carried, I would think that is why I w/b carrying - to stop the threat/shooter and protect the innocent."

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My concern in the situation is that you DO head to the sound of gunfire as the PD does the same, you risk being injured by well-intentioned police.

How could this be accomplished?
 

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"... the cops ... now immediately charge to the area of shooting... But if I worked at a school and (legally) carried, I would think that is why I w/b carrying - to stop the threat/shooter and protect the innocent."

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My concern in the situation is that you DO head to the sound of gunfire as the PD does the same, you risk being injured by well-intentioned police.

How could this be accomplished?
I don't see good people running about with a gun drawn because of sounds, even apparent gun fire. Determine the cause and any need for action first. Lethal force is a last result.

The time frame will work in your favor..........or you could do nothing. We know how that works out.
 

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Spree shooters tend to dress up in tacticool gear and carry long guns. I would think (hope) the sight of a normally dressed person with a compact handgun would at least cause hesitation in any armed first responders.
 

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You forgot the fourth kind: Those that see conspiracies in everything! :shocker:
Nope... not part of that "old saying". But you can make it say whatever you wish, if that's what it takes to make you feel secure inside your government-sanctioned thought box. :p
 

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Spree shooters tend to dress up in tacticool gear and carry long guns. I would think (hope) the sight of a normally dressed person with a compact handgun would at least cause hesitation in any armed first responders.

Without a badge on your neck probably not. Even with a badge on your neck you still might get shot.

They did a study a while back under low light and regular conditions about badge placement. They found a pretty high rate of guys shooting "good" targets even though they had a badge on their belt. Its because you look at the gun which is usually center mass. So if you are trying to help and running around without coms to tell someone your a good guy or where you are... it can be a bad day for all involved.

An interesting read on it is "Besthalahan". I believe that might be the title. It was about the terrorists who took over the school in Europe. Killed a lot of kids and women. Really screwed stuff. Makes our shootings look like a walk in the park. I mention that incident because if I remember the incident correctly at some point the parents decided they wanted to storm the place with their guns. It got real ugly ...

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"... the cops ... now immediately charge to the area of shooting... But if I worked at a school and (legally) carried, I would think that is why I w/b carrying - to stop the threat/shooter and protect the innocent."

-Big edit and snip.-
My concern in the situation is that you DO head to the sound of gunfire as the PD does the same, you risk being injured by well-intentioned police.

How could this be accomplished?
The"immediately" part is a bit misleading - it should have read immediately after they arrive on-scene. Unless the school has a "resource officer" on the premises, chances are that it will be a matter of at least a few minutes before they arrive (perhaps several minutes), are given instructions by the senior officer on-scene, and "immediately charge to the area of the shooting". A lot of destruction can take place in even 3-4 minutes - whereas an armed faculty member (or two, or three), who is already on-scene, may have the necessary capability to minimize or eliminate the threat... IF they have an predetermined emergency plan (so that teachers aren't shooting one another by mistake). :eek: Pax...
 

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The"immediately" part is a bit misleading - it should have read immediately after they arrive on-scene. Unless the school has a "resource officer" on the premises, chances are that it will be a matter of at least a few minutes before they arrive (perhaps several minutes), are given instructions by the senior officer on-scene, and "immediately charge to the area of the shooting". A lot of destruction can take place in even 3-4 minutes - whereas an armed faculty member (or two, or three), who is already on-scene, may have the necessary capability to minimize or eliminate the threat... IF they have an predetermined emergency plan (so that teachers aren't shooting one another by mistake). :eek: Pax...

I think you nailed it gil with the emergency plan part. Nothing wrong with having faculty armed and responding to the incident. As long as theirs one school officer present. The emergency plan could help mitigate the risk since that school resource would have coms with the PD. Or even the armed security guys having coms or a set plan in place.

Communication is the key in my opinion. Military guys will back me up on that.

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Resources Officer .....lol....the names they will come up with to make it look like having cops patrolling your kids is a good thing.

I still call the garbage truck a garbage truck, even though the door says recycling inc. Seems to be a trend to stick nice sounding names to thangs that some people might find uncomfortable. Like School Cops, which is what they are.
 

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I still call the garbage truck a garbage truck, even though the door says recycling inc. Seems to be a trend to stick nice sounding names to thangs that some people might find uncomfortable. Like School Cops, which is what they are.

Lol, reminds me of George Carlin's bit about softening language. It's not toliet paper, it's bath tissue. It's not getting old, it's maturing gracefully.
 

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Keeping in the spirit of this thread.....the shooter was a lefty and devout socialist.....hmm.

was he a lefty? the "news" hasnt really said i thought. They did say he was very "political" though. I suppose youre right. If he had been a righty, they wouldve said that. I am very amused by the police saying the teacher is a hero for fleeing the school. Id say he is a smart guy to run from someone with a shotty but hero? im not sure. Apparently the teacher had bullied and picked on this kid in debate class a lot. Unforunate situation all around. thankfully no one was killed. I havent heard any updates about the victim except she is in a coma. certainly wish her a complete recovery.
 

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was he a lefty? the "news" hasnt really said i thought. They did say he was very "political" though. I suppose youre right. If he had been a righty, they wouldve said that. I am very amused by the police saying the teacher is a hero for fleeing the school. Id say he is a smart guy to run from someone with a shotty but hero? im not sure. Apparently the teacher had bullied and picked on this kid in debate class a lot. Unforunate situation all around. thankfully no one was killed. I havent heard any updates about the victim except she is in a coma. certainly wish her a complete recovery.

Gotta love the media spin! I was taken aback by the hero comment myself. He may have been smart, but hero? NO!

The shooter's facebook was scrubbed, but he was pro Obama, pro gun control, and a confessed socialist. Gotta wonder why his facebook was scrubbed.
 

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Why?.....no, who scrubbed it. All the kids who knew him stated that he was a socialist. Even saw a video news report where some HS chick made that statement.

Freakin socialists, commies in nice clothes.....and a iPhone.
 

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I still call the garbage truck a garbage truck, even though the door says recycling inc. Seems to be a trend to stick nice sounding names to thangs that some people might find uncomfortable. Like School Cops, which is what they are.
When I was living in Las Vegas (about 25 years ago), "School Cops" is pretty-much what they were called. The "School Police Force" was a semi-autonomous department under the Clark County Sheriff's Office (as I recall). On the first day of school, something in the neighborhood of 35 "assorted weapons" were confiscated from students as they entered just ONE school, according to one of the TV stations. Pax...
 
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