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    Term Limits for members of the General Assembly, by Joe Morrissey

    So, is Fighting Joe doing us a favor? Opinions?

    HJ 6: Constitutional amendment; qualifications for members of General Assembly, term limits.
    Constitutional amendment (first resolution); General Assembly; term limits.

    Limits members of the Senate to three full terms (12 years) and members of the House of Delegates to six full terms (12 years). The limitations apply to service for both consecutive and nonconsecutive terms. Service for a partial term does not preclude serving the allowed number of full terms. In addition to any partial term, a person may serve 12 years in each house or a total of 24 years in the General Assembly.

    The limits apply to terms of service beginning on and after the start of the 2018 Regular Session of the General Assembly.
    Might clean things out in the Senate. Turns out, this idea came from here:

    Vote for term limits, or we’ll vote you out

    And here:

    Virginia Term Limits Now

    What effect would Term Limits have on gun rights, you think?

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    It has always been easier (in general terms) to get a D onto the ballot than an R; getting an honestly conservative R is even more difficult. And Rs seem to be outnumbered by Ds (in general terms).

    Thus, incumbent Rs are going to find it more difficult to find a replacement with a similar/supporting viewpoint.

    Then we get to the issue of seniority. While there are instances of incumbents staying in office to and past the point of senility, many of those incumbents are/were in their waning years controlled/manipulated by party "handlers" because losing seniority on a key committee was seen as disasterous. (And in many instances seniority on a key committee has either saved or sunk us in spite of everything else.)

    This may be the first instance of many in which unintended consequences are going to show up later rather than sooner.

    I cannot see that this will not hurt us, but the possibilities are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    It has always been easier (in general terms) to get a D onto the ballot than an R; getting an honestly conservative R is even more difficult. And Rs seem to be outnumbered by Ds (in general terms).

    Thus, incumbent Rs are going to find it more difficult to find a replacement with a similar/supporting viewpoint.

    Then we get to the issue of seniority. While there are instances of incumbents staying in office to and past the point of senility, many of those incumbents are/were in their waning years controlled/manipulated by party "handlers" because losing seniority on a key committee was seen as disasterous. (And in many instances seniority on a key committee has either saved or sunk us in spite of everything else.)

    This may be the first instance of many in which unintended consequences are going to show up later rather than sooner.

    I cannot see that this will not hurt us, but the possibilities are there.

    I thank Repeater for the opportunity to share the voices coming from my tin foil beanie.

    stay safe.
    I agree and disagree. New politicians are always easier to influence. Older one's tend to get stale.
    It really all depends on how strong the lobby is. A strong lobby welcomes the change because they can escort a new elect in. A weak lobby wants to keep what they have.

    Think of it this way....term limits would get rid of Saslaw and Marsh but we'd also lose Lingamfelter and Peace.

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    One thing a "Term Limits" statute does is that it forces the electorate to choose new representation at designated times. (Kind of like being forced to choose a new password; it's usually annoying and disruptive of the task one was trying to accomplish.)

    The candidate machinery must gear up and produce a (suitable) candidate, or at least attempt to make it appear that one is being offered.

    The electorate must elect one of said candidates for the office in question.

    Perhaps an example of unintended consequences might be Bloomberg succeeding Giullianni.
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    Maybe and automatic executing of the members after their term limit is over ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Maybe and automatic executing of the members after their term limit is over ..
    When does davidmcbeth's term expire? 'Cause I'm gonna make a fortune selling tickets to the party that's going to be held.

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    On that note,

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    When does davidmcbeth's term expire? 'Cause I'm gonna make a fortune selling tickets to the party that's going to be held.

    stay safe.
    I would like to pre-order 2 tickets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    I would like to pre-order 2 tickets!
    Me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    Me too.

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    I think even Congress would vote 100% for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    It has always been easier (in general terms) to get a D onto the ballot than an R; getting an honestly conservative R is even more difficult. And Rs seem to be outnumbered by Ds (in general terms).

    Thus, incumbent Rs are going to find it more difficult to find a replacement with a similar/supporting viewpoint.

    Then we get to the issue of seniority. While there are instances of incumbents staying in office to and past the point of senility, many of those incumbents are/were in their waning years controlled/manipulated by party "handlers" because losing seniority on a key committee was seen as disasterous. (And in many instances seniority on a key committee has either saved or sunk us in spite of everything else.)

    This may be the first instance of many in which unintended consequences are going to show up later rather than sooner.

    I cannot see that this will not hurt us, but the possibilities are there.

    I thank Repeater for the opportunity to share the voices coming from my tin foil beanie.

    stay safe.
    You are welcome.

    I would like limits imposed only on the Senate. That would help distinguish the BI-cameral qualities of the General Assembly. Right now, there is little difference between the 2 chambers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    You are welcome.

    I would like limits imposed only on the Senate. That would help distinguish the BI-cameral qualities of the General Assembly. Right now, there is little difference between the 2 chambers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    You are welcome.

    I would like limits imposed only on the Senate. That would help distinguish the BI-cameral qualities of the General Assembly. Right now, there is little difference between the 2 chambers.
    Very interesting. [/Artie Johnson voice]

    Also intruiging, as the Senate was designed to be the equivalent of England's House of Lords and a voice of reason and control over the unchecked demands and actions of the rabble who made up the House of Delegates. Senators were "expected" to remain in office for an extended period of time while those rabble that were Delegates were expected to do their civic duty and go back to whatever it was they did to keep hearth and home running before they got elected.

    At least we do have limits on the length of the legislative session each year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Very interesting. [/Artie Johnson voice]

    Also intriguing, as the Senate was designed to be the equivalent of England's House of Lords and a voice of reason and control over the unchecked demands and actions of the rabble who made up the House of Delegates. Senators were "expected" to remain in office for an extended period of time while those rabble that were Delegates were expected to do their civic duty and go back to whatever it was they did to keep hearth and home running before they got elected.

    At least we do have limits on the length of the legislative session each year.

    stay safe.
    Are you prescient? See THIS:

    2014: The Year of the Primaries
    Senators are elected for six-year terms, not lifetime appointments. Every six years they need to stand before their constituents and vouch for their record while explaining why they would be the best choice for a new six-year term. When there is no competition in primaries, they feel no need to improve or consider the concerns of their conservative constituents. Primaries offer alternative candidates, and often, better choices for the future. Again, this is something we should celebrate, especially in conservative states.

    ...

    Here are some points we must all consider when examining the upcoming primaries, especially in the context of the current crop of GOP senators:

    The Hatch Effect: As Erick Erickson noted a few months ago, Orrin Hatch started a new trend among the ruling class members. Recognizing the mistake of moderates like Bob Bennett and Dick Lugar, Hatch ran all the way to the right when he began to sense a credible primary threat. Last year, he voted 100% with Mike Lee. This year he has voted for amnesty, ENDA, funding Obamacare, debt ceiling increases, the Biden-McConnell tax increases, and many of Obama’s liberal judges and executive appointees.

    The sad reality is that it worked for him, and now Senators McConnell, Cornyn, and Roberts are trying to replicate the Hatch Effect. They figured out how to pick the lock. Move all the way to the right as soon as a primary challenge emerges and completely muddle the need for an alternative. Then they can point to a scorecard showing them voting the right way that year.
    That last part P.O.'d me. I knew Hatch was a liar. Events proved me right. His plan worked.

    Imagine Va. Senators being challenged for the next election. How many will pretend to be with us -- and other freedom-minded Virginians while remaining squishy RINOs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Maybe and automatic executing of the members after their term limit is over ..
    Sorry, I see no point in waiting until the end of a term.

    However, I'm NOT advocating execution. My thinking is hook all prospective politicians up to a lie detector before asking them how they intend to vote in matters you feel strongly about. Instead of having the results sent to an electronic pen on a piece of paper, feedback would be provided via electrodes attached, by trained TSA agents, to their genitals

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    Sorry, I see no point in waiting until the end of a term.

    However, I'm NOT advocating execution. My thinking is hook all prospective politicians up to a lie detector before asking them how they intend to vote in matters you feel strongly about. Instead of having the results sent to an electronic pen on a piece of paper, feedback would be provided via electrodes attached, by trained TSA agents, to their genitals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
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    stay safe.
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