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    So///CHP Info is secret huh?

    When everyone started screaming bloody murder about CHP information, I said to be careful what you wished for AND I SAID....There's always a way to get it.
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    A conservative Virginia lawmaker is proposing a solution to a potential bureaucratic nightmare created after lawmakers passed legislation this year to keep private the identities of people seeking concealed weapons permits.
    Delegate L. Scott Lingamfelter has introduced a bill that would keep information from permits issued before July 1, 2008, open to the public — a response to court clerks who said the law would have resulted in the logistical nightmare of trying to find ways to physically remove information from old indexes and paper record books.
    In more recent years, the information has been maintained electronically, making it easier to shield in compliance with the law.
    Mr. Lingamfelter, Prince William Republican, said his bill addresses a “manpower issue” that will have no effect on the state’s gun laws.
    “If it hurt the Second Amendment, I wouldn’t be carrying it,” he said.
    The original bill, sponsored in the state Senate by Mark D. Obenshain, sought to protect the personal information of domestic violence victims who applied for the permits. Once it passed the Senate, the legislation was amended to protect personal information from all permit holders.
    Concern over the issue has been simmering since at least 2007, when The Roanoke Times published an online database of concealed carry permit holders in the state. The database was eventually taken down.
    After an outcry from gun owners and gun rights groups, The Journal News of White Plains, N.Y., removed its own online map posted last year of concealed weapons permit holders that included specific names and addresses.
    Attorney General Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, a Republican, issued an advisory opinion in July saying that clerks must withhold from public disclosure names on all permit applications and orders, whether they are maintained electronically or in “order books.” He said the clerk is required to comply with the law even though the legislature didn’t appropriate funds for the task.
    Michele McQuigg, clerk of the Prince William County Circuit Court, said the original bill would have created a near-impossible task for clerks across the state, who would be required to go back and remove information from documents dating back decades.
    She said applying the law to the post-July 2008 applications was a more reasonable task.
    “If you made it five years back, almost everybody could handle taking them out of the public view,” she said. “It just involved too much work, and every court does everything different.”
    While still publicly available, the paper documents are decentralized and more difficult to compile comprehensively.
    “Our records are out there, but it’s probably going to be hard for people to find,” Ms. McQuigg said.
    The Republican Party of Virginia requested information on the permit holders earlier this year before the law took effect, but withdrew the request after clerks estimated the price tag for tracking down such records would hav


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    [QUOTE=peter nap;2016436]When everyone started screaming bloody murder about CHP information, I said to be careful what you wished for AND I SAID....There's always a way to get it.
    Behold:


    A conservative Virginia lawmaker is proposing a solution to a potential bureaucratic nightmare created after lawmakers passed legislation this year to keep private the identities of people seeking concealed weapons permits.

    [snip -- scroll back to the OP to see the entire quote]

    Was 2008 the year that the Virginia CWP became the CHP? Actually, it matters not -- it makes no difference whether a citizen held a CWP or obtained a CHP once that became available. The law is the law and it specifically says that this information may not be revealed. Shedding crocodile tears here for the 'burden' that this law places on the Courts' clerks. And, with respect, Ms. McQuigg, I don't care how "hard" it may be for people to discover old records -- an enterprising snoop, government or otherwise, will find them.

    Follow the law.
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    [QUOTE=JamesCanby;2016444]
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    When everyone started screaming bloody murder about CHP information, I said to be careful what you wished for AND I SAID....There's always a way to get it.
    Behold:


    A conservative Virginia lawmaker is proposing a solution to a potential bureaucratic nightmare created after lawmakers passed legislation this year to keep private the identities of people seeking concealed weapons permits.

    [snip -- scroll back to the OP to see the entire quote]

    Was 2008 the year that the Virginia CWP became the CHP? Actually, it matters not -- it makes no difference whether a citizen held a CWP or obtained a CHP once that became available. The law is the law and it specifically says that this information may not be revealed. Shedding crocodile tears here for the 'burden' that this law places on the Courts' clerks. And, with respect, Ms. McQuigg, I don't care how "hard" it may be for people to discover old records -- an enterprising snoop, government or otherwise, will find them.

    Follow the law.
    While it really makes no difference to me James (Except I like being right) The bill will probably pass because the Clerks say it has to be and it's being introduced by a pro gun legislator. The Governor will sign it because it will seen as a slap to gun owners....and in a year or so more bills with more exceptions will be passed. Such is Government!

    Yes, the records are old but there are a lot of permit holders that will be on the list. I can think of a dozen or so on this board just off the top of my head.

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    "a response to court clerks who said the law would have resulted in the logistical nightmare"

    What is this "would have?"

    It's the law.

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