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    opinion on this video....

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=020_1387986237

    my opinion...guns are useless unless you are willing to use them

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=020_1387986237

    my opinion...guns are useless unless you are willing to use them
    I would add, "...and legally justified in using it."

    I didn't see a threat of grave bodily injury or death that would have justified lethal force.

    I'm kinda disappointed the whole incident isn't recorded. For all I know, the grabber was trying to hold a shoplifter or pickpocket until police arrived, and the woman was using the gun illegally as a threat to make grabber let go so he could escape. I do understand citizens can't always start the video at the legally relevant point.
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    Not nearly enough information to form a responsible opinion, making the video snip basically useless.
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    Well... IMO if you carry a gun you should be prepared and willing to use it appropriately and lawfully to defend yourself and, should you chose, others. But guns do have use even when they aren't used to go bang and send a piece of lead through the air real fast.

    In this case she attempted to use it without making it go bang, it just didn't seem to work very well.

    But, as already stated, we can't really see whether or not her use of the firearm (to make threat of use of lethal force) was justified.

    It looked to me as though the men on the ground were essentially stalemated... They weren't pounding each other or really causing bodily harm to one another at the moment, that we can tell, so really I'm not sure that bringing a gun into the mix at that point would do anything but potentially make the situation worse. Probably the best thing to do in that situation is get someone capable of further deescalating and resolving the confrontation there asap. If the situation has already deescalated to the point that no additional physical harm is being dealt, bringing a firearm out will probably only re-escalate the situation back into a more dangerous one. If the situation is deescalating without the threat of lethal force, probably shouldn't enter that threat into the equation.
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    At the point that she arrived with the shotgun I saw no justifiable reason to apply deadly force - which she did by merely bringing the shotgun. Making the threats was also using deadly force the way the law sees those things.

    Never saw a reason to believe there was a threat of imminent death or serious bodily injury except for that presented by the female and her shotgun.

    Get a bucket of water. Pee on them. Lots of ways to actually seperate the two guys instead of sounding like somebody's mother (count to whatever and still not do anything).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    At the point that she arrived with the shotgun I saw no justifiable reason to apply deadly force - which she did by merely bringing the shotgun. Making the threats was also using deadly force the way the law sees those things.

    Never saw a reason to believe there was a threat of imminent death or serious bodily injury except for that presented by the female and her shotgun.
    I seem to recall many people on this board saying that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin because Martin was on top and assaulting Zimmerman.

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    Another thread where the OP seems determined to spin us into his contentious cloth.

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