Primus
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Lets imagine you have a house. This house is to represent a Country or State. Lets call it Fratia. In Fratia you have 10 rooms and 10 occupants. You have a fridge with food in it and a bathroom with amenities. How does this house operate?
It can operate one of two ways. The First we will call Coercive Government (CG). The Second we will call Anarchy (A). We will keep all other things as close as possible, just the system , or lack of, to keep this house in order.
Under CG, we will set some basic rules. We will go with 10 for ease. These 10 will all be agreed upon but the said 10 occupants. You can even say each one submits a rule so it’s fair. All 10 occupants will sign a contract (lease) explaining said rules. We will assume all 10 agree and want to live there. With these 10 rules there will be punishments (coercion). For example, Rule #1: If you drink the last beer, you must notify other members that Fratia is out. This can be done in a prescribed manner that everyone agrees to (text, email, phone call, etc.). If you do not notify everyone and it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, your punishment will be that you must buy the replacement case of beer. Everyone agrees and everyone goes with it. Easy right? The other rules will discuss things like paying for amenities (lights, water, sewage, food). It will be divided perfectly even.
Ok, so base line is set up. Well say roommate number 1 decides he doesn’t want to pay anymore. Say he decides “I pay for electricity but I don’t use as much as 2”. Well he decides he wants to split. He says, I’m no longer going to pay or follow the rules. Well he still resides in said house. So he still uses said water, lights, and food. 1 decides he doesn’t want to follow the bathroom schedule anymore or wants to use extra water. This affects the others in the house. So they “coerce” him into conforming with said rules. If 1 still refuses, they can take extremes and either throw him out of the house or lock him in his room until he stops eating all the food and drinking all the water.
The problem is 1 is still in the house (territory). He still uses the same hallway, the same toilet, the same common areas. If he moved to maybe the basement (wilderness) and didn’t use the common areas (highways, cities, roads) then the other roommates would be less likely to pressure him to follow the rules. Also, 1 doesn’t have the resources to leave said house nor does he feel like he must. He just wants to live in the house and be left alone. He can’t be as long as he is present. He's told "He man, just leave your keys there's the door find a new place". He refuses. Instead he moans and groans that he pays too much for the light bill and water bill because the other roommates will designate one of the roommates to punch him in the face if he doesn't.
Lets move this along a bit. Say a few generations. Well instead of 10 rules, now there is 100. 1 still lives in house and he still believes he doesn’t want to follow most of the rules. These descendants believe that the other 9 who made and make the rules are corrupt and make dumb rules that shouldn’t apply to them. Even worse, one day a guy from a different house came down the street and threw a burning paper airplane into the window. After this, the other 9 roommates made more rules and decided to put up cameras in and around the house to prevent more bad guys. Well this really makes 1 mad. 1 can still leave at any time, the other 9 are not forcing him to stay. But 1 says “I was born here it’s my house and our founding 10 roommates only had 10 rules and never wanted cameras”.
If 1 and his descendants decided they just wanted to do their own thing and refuse the rules “coercion” of the others, then it would create great conflict. If 1 decides he wants to use the toilet whenever he wants, it can conflict with the other 9. Now imagine 4 and 5 also get this idea to just do their own thing. Well now you have 3-4 separate systems (rules) in the same house. Well said house isn’t that big, so they keep bumping and causing conflict. To prevent this, the 9 keep pressing on the 1 to keep him from doing his own thing. Now take this and expand it from 10 rooms and occupants to 100 rooms and occupants. The problems and coercion will magnify to limit them.
Lets’s look at A house. In this house, you still have 10 people in the house. They still have shared amenities. This time, they decide, no rules. No central rules on the fridge so no coercion or force necessary. No rules to guide our social (bed time or lights out, when you can have friends over or parties) or economic (when do we put in for light bill, how much everyone puts in). This house, everyone just verbally agrees whenever they feel like doing stuff and some social norms. So maybe 1 uses the bathroom before 5. But if 6 wants to use it in between, oh well there’s no rule against that and certainly no one to tell them no. Say 8 wants to throw a kegger. Well 9 has a final the next day. Sure, 8 and 9 discuss this and they work it out. This creates many conflicts, but they are easy to resolve because they are very close in social structure as it is and there is only 10 people.
Now take A house and make it 100 people. Also, add women and other ethnic cultures. Well not 89-98 don’t speak the same language and really like to party. Well 10-23 really like to do drugs. 34-50 don’t work and don’t contribute to the electric bill. How long will this house last? Sure it’ll last a short while, but keep adding rooms and people and it will eventually collapse.
In CG, it doesn’t matter what “system” you use. Said system needs to have a coercion factor or it won’t work. If there is no “teeth” then the system will be nothing but a name, a figure, no more.
In A House, the lack of system exponentially increases the chances of conflict as you add more people who differ in opinion or social beliefs. It’s easy to do with small groups who already agree on just about everything. Rules or a third person to enforce things is no needed because everyone already does their own thing in harmony.
This is how it works in my head when guys compare Anarchy and a coercive Government. Without the ability to coerce, then the Government is nothing more then a figure head. Without the ability to coerce, then the house will collapse in A house.
My belief is most people will agree with the CG house, The problem is how many rules do you need to run the house? Do you need to decide how many sheet of paper you can wipe with? No. But do you need to decide no keggers in the house on Tuesday nights? Sure. Do you need 1,000 rules? 48 Rules? How do you decide? Do you start making rules that affect the 8 people in the house because 2 are lazy and don't work? Or maybe stop 8 of them from having guns because 2 are scared? Flip the numbers. Do 8 who are scared get to tell the 2 they can't have the guns in the common areas, but they can keep them in the bedroom?
Just mull this Fratia house over in your head. Have you ever lived with roommates? I've been fortunate/unfortunate to live with alot of guys in very pretty bad places. Without these rules and coercive ways to keep the guys in line, it gets ugly quick. When you have a team that perfectly harmonizes then sure you don't need any formal rules or way to enforce them. Now force this onto a Company of dudes from all over the country/world. Rules and the ability to enforce them matter alot.
It can operate one of two ways. The First we will call Coercive Government (CG). The Second we will call Anarchy (A). We will keep all other things as close as possible, just the system , or lack of, to keep this house in order.
Under CG, we will set some basic rules. We will go with 10 for ease. These 10 will all be agreed upon but the said 10 occupants. You can even say each one submits a rule so it’s fair. All 10 occupants will sign a contract (lease) explaining said rules. We will assume all 10 agree and want to live there. With these 10 rules there will be punishments (coercion). For example, Rule #1: If you drink the last beer, you must notify other members that Fratia is out. This can be done in a prescribed manner that everyone agrees to (text, email, phone call, etc.). If you do not notify everyone and it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, your punishment will be that you must buy the replacement case of beer. Everyone agrees and everyone goes with it. Easy right? The other rules will discuss things like paying for amenities (lights, water, sewage, food). It will be divided perfectly even.
Ok, so base line is set up. Well say roommate number 1 decides he doesn’t want to pay anymore. Say he decides “I pay for electricity but I don’t use as much as 2”. Well he decides he wants to split. He says, I’m no longer going to pay or follow the rules. Well he still resides in said house. So he still uses said water, lights, and food. 1 decides he doesn’t want to follow the bathroom schedule anymore or wants to use extra water. This affects the others in the house. So they “coerce” him into conforming with said rules. If 1 still refuses, they can take extremes and either throw him out of the house or lock him in his room until he stops eating all the food and drinking all the water.
The problem is 1 is still in the house (territory). He still uses the same hallway, the same toilet, the same common areas. If he moved to maybe the basement (wilderness) and didn’t use the common areas (highways, cities, roads) then the other roommates would be less likely to pressure him to follow the rules. Also, 1 doesn’t have the resources to leave said house nor does he feel like he must. He just wants to live in the house and be left alone. He can’t be as long as he is present. He's told "He man, just leave your keys there's the door find a new place". He refuses. Instead he moans and groans that he pays too much for the light bill and water bill because the other roommates will designate one of the roommates to punch him in the face if he doesn't.
Lets move this along a bit. Say a few generations. Well instead of 10 rules, now there is 100. 1 still lives in house and he still believes he doesn’t want to follow most of the rules. These descendants believe that the other 9 who made and make the rules are corrupt and make dumb rules that shouldn’t apply to them. Even worse, one day a guy from a different house came down the street and threw a burning paper airplane into the window. After this, the other 9 roommates made more rules and decided to put up cameras in and around the house to prevent more bad guys. Well this really makes 1 mad. 1 can still leave at any time, the other 9 are not forcing him to stay. But 1 says “I was born here it’s my house and our founding 10 roommates only had 10 rules and never wanted cameras”.
If 1 and his descendants decided they just wanted to do their own thing and refuse the rules “coercion” of the others, then it would create great conflict. If 1 decides he wants to use the toilet whenever he wants, it can conflict with the other 9. Now imagine 4 and 5 also get this idea to just do their own thing. Well now you have 3-4 separate systems (rules) in the same house. Well said house isn’t that big, so they keep bumping and causing conflict. To prevent this, the 9 keep pressing on the 1 to keep him from doing his own thing. Now take this and expand it from 10 rooms and occupants to 100 rooms and occupants. The problems and coercion will magnify to limit them.
Lets’s look at A house. In this house, you still have 10 people in the house. They still have shared amenities. This time, they decide, no rules. No central rules on the fridge so no coercion or force necessary. No rules to guide our social (bed time or lights out, when you can have friends over or parties) or economic (when do we put in for light bill, how much everyone puts in). This house, everyone just verbally agrees whenever they feel like doing stuff and some social norms. So maybe 1 uses the bathroom before 5. But if 6 wants to use it in between, oh well there’s no rule against that and certainly no one to tell them no. Say 8 wants to throw a kegger. Well 9 has a final the next day. Sure, 8 and 9 discuss this and they work it out. This creates many conflicts, but they are easy to resolve because they are very close in social structure as it is and there is only 10 people.
Now take A house and make it 100 people. Also, add women and other ethnic cultures. Well not 89-98 don’t speak the same language and really like to party. Well 10-23 really like to do drugs. 34-50 don’t work and don’t contribute to the electric bill. How long will this house last? Sure it’ll last a short while, but keep adding rooms and people and it will eventually collapse.
In CG, it doesn’t matter what “system” you use. Said system needs to have a coercion factor or it won’t work. If there is no “teeth” then the system will be nothing but a name, a figure, no more.
In A House, the lack of system exponentially increases the chances of conflict as you add more people who differ in opinion or social beliefs. It’s easy to do with small groups who already agree on just about everything. Rules or a third person to enforce things is no needed because everyone already does their own thing in harmony.
This is how it works in my head when guys compare Anarchy and a coercive Government. Without the ability to coerce, then the Government is nothing more then a figure head. Without the ability to coerce, then the house will collapse in A house.
My belief is most people will agree with the CG house, The problem is how many rules do you need to run the house? Do you need to decide how many sheet of paper you can wipe with? No. But do you need to decide no keggers in the house on Tuesday nights? Sure. Do you need 1,000 rules? 48 Rules? How do you decide? Do you start making rules that affect the 8 people in the house because 2 are lazy and don't work? Or maybe stop 8 of them from having guns because 2 are scared? Flip the numbers. Do 8 who are scared get to tell the 2 they can't have the guns in the common areas, but they can keep them in the bedroom?
Just mull this Fratia house over in your head. Have you ever lived with roommates? I've been fortunate/unfortunate to live with alot of guys in very pretty bad places. Without these rules and coercive ways to keep the guys in line, it gets ugly quick. When you have a team that perfectly harmonizes then sure you don't need any formal rules or way to enforce them. Now force this onto a Company of dudes from all over the country/world. Rules and the ability to enforce them matter alot.
