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    The Toby Keith restaurant “no guns” policy non-story?

    Perhaps some of you have seen/heard this story.

    Hot Air - indicates it's a non-story as it has too many holes in it. Here is a link to their article. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/2...icy-non-story/

    Me, I'm going to wait until I see something more credible.

    Any forum members have one in their area, that can provide some input?

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    Ooooooo....The sign says, "NO GUNS PERMITTED," not "NO GUNS ALLOWED." "Permitted" vs. "allowed." The lying cads!

    The fact remains that guns may not be taken into this restaurant, and I wouldn't spend a dime there. I will advocate that others who respect the RKBA won't either.

    I am glad this story is out there and garnering media attention.

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    The fact remains he is a huge Liberal that has made it known in the past he hates gun rights and yet gun owners still support him and they are surprised he is anti gun. Really people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The fact remains he is a huge Liberal that has made it known in the past he hates gun rights and yet gun owners still support him and they are surprised he is anti gun. Really people.
    Now I don't know, 'cause I never looked into it, but I'm pretty sure Hank Jr. is pro-pro-pro gun.

    Ya really cannot check everyone ... even if they have a big mouth about it ... so I can understand people not knowing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The fact remains he is a huge Liberal that has made it known in the past he hates gun rights and yet gun owners still support him and they are surprised he is anti gun. Really people.
    Cuz he sangs with a twang.
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    I stopped going there when I was required to give my SSN for a free meal back when I was on active duty in Oklahoma City. The food sucks anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    Perhaps some of you have seen/heard this story.

    Hot Air - indicates it's a non-story as it has too many holes in it. Here is a link to their article. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/2...icy-non-story/

    Me, I'm going to wait until I see something more credible.

    Any forum members have one in their area, that can provide some input?

    Carry on, Be safe!
    the one by me at great lakes crossing outlets in auburn hills michigan does not allow guns in their establishment, and with the pricing there i wouldnt become a patron anyways.... way over priced due to TK's name being on the building

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The fact remains he is a huge Liberal that has made it known in the past he hates gun rights and yet gun owners still support him and they are surprised he is anti gun. Really people.
    I do believe you are quite mistaken.

    I have been in the first Toby Keith restaurant, in Oklahoma City, and it was NOT posted. If these are franchises, as I believe to be true, then all signs are the responsibility of the franchisee, not Toby Keith.

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    The Toby Keith restaurant “no guns” policy non-story?

    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The fact remains he is a huge Liberal that has made it known in the past he hates gun rights and yet gun owners still support him and they are surprised he is anti gun. Really people.

    From Keith's Wikipedia page...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    In 2004, Keith called himself "a conservative Democrat who is sometimes embarrassed for his party".[32] He endorsed the re-election of President George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election and performed at a Dallas, Texas, rally on the night before the election.
    Not exactly what I'd call a "huge liberal."

    Also from his Wiki...
    In October 2008, Keith told CMT that he had left the Democratic Party and has re-registered as an independent. "My party that I've been affiliated with all these years doesn't stand for anything that I stand for anymore," he says. "They've lost any sensibility that they had, and they've allowed all the kooks in. So I'm going independent." He also told CMT that he would likely vote for the Republican ticket, partially because of his admiration for Sarah Palin.[35]
    His Wiki page also says he didn't support the Iraq War, and as a former Navy veteran, neither did I. Does that make me a "huge liberal" too?

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    No, the 2A doesn't care what your party affiliation is. It can't. It is an idea. Ideas don't care about crap. They are incapable.

    However, it is clear that liberals do more to infringe on the RKBA than less-left-wing ideologies do. It is highly unusual to find a liberal who supports the RKBA and doesn't just pay lip service to the 2A, with no idea what the RKBA really is.

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    Toby does not own the restaurants, they licensed his name. Now I do not know what he agreed to, or they did with that licensing. IMO he should speak out, but he may break a contract by doing so. He should know better than to license his name for something like a restaurant, many times those places fail.

    The problem here is money overrides common sense. Though I cannot imagine that TK needed money that much, this sounds like a dumb decision of a manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    No, the 2A doesn't care what your party affiliation is. It can't. It is an idea. Ideas don't care about crap. They are incapable.

    However, it is clear that liberals do more to infringe on the RKBA than less-left-wing ideologies do. It is highly unusual to find a liberal who supports the RKBA and doesn't just pay lip service to the 2A, with no idea what the RKBA really is.
    Liberals know exactly what the 2A is.....it's a threat to their agenda that is what the 2A is. As you correctly state, the idea of the 2A is the threat, not the guns. If a national permit system for all forms of carry of any reasonable firearm would be proposed the libs would follow along. UC, as you term it is radioactive to a liberal. Far too much liberty being displayed.

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    The Toby Keith restaurant “no guns” policy non-story?

    I, like Mr. Keith, registered as an Independent yet I hold conservative liberal views. I'll go ahead and throw myself to the wolves here in the hopes of broadening the view some might have on those who vote to the left on certain things. I believe firmly in, and have a pretty good idea of what the Second Amendment is and what it stands for. I believe it is a right, not necessarily endowed upon us by the Almighty, but rather bestowed upon us by the creators of our country and should not, and hopefully will never, be revoked or otherwise further infringed upon. I believe a person's right to self defense and the defense of others is an obligation that the Second Amendment protects and gives us the ability to do. I also firmly believe in a system of checks and balances, more so that the citizens of this nation hold the power, not the politician, and that it is the People's responsibility to limit the power of the government, not the other way around.

    I believe Mr. Keith May have similar views as me, given my perspective on the short Wikipedia article I read on him yesterday. That said, it is not necessarily in his best interest to tell a franchise owner of his company what to do as it relates to firearms in a restaurant bearing his name and likeness. Keep in mind that these restaurants are franchises, and are not owned by Keith. So if an owner of a business wants to keep guns out of said business, fine. You don't have to spend your money there.

    If our argument is whether or not Toby Keith is a horrible left wing nut job who wants to take our guns away, we're wasting our time. This is ridiculous and I can't understand why this thread is even an issue.



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    It is not his company, he only sold the license to use his name.
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    The 2A is not a right endowed upon us by "the founders".

    It is a recognition of a preexisting right to resist and keep government in check by having an armed society. One that is not supposed to be infringed.

    Do not fall for the untruths by some who say it exists to form a militia to protect the state or government.


    Aristotle had some great theories on a governments citizens who don't bear arms are nothing but slaves to those who control the government and control the arms.
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    Voting a liberal into office is what liberals do. Even gun toting, 2A supporting, liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Aristotle had some great theories on a governments citizens who don't bear arms are nothing but slaves to those who control the government and control the arms.
    A citation please.

    That sounds more like Plato's Republic, his division of labor that includes The Guardians. Here is The Republic at Project Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm

    Many recent philosophers have diverged from what some would describe as the ontological models and moral ideals characteristic of traditional Platonism. A number of these postmodern philosophers have thus appeared to disparage Platonism from more or less informed perspectives. Friedrich Nietzsche notoriously attacked Plato's "idea of the good itself" along with many fundamentals of Christian morality, which he interpreted as "Platonism for the masses" in one of his most important works, Beyond Good And Evil (1886). Martin Heidegger argued against Plato's alleged obfuscation of Being in his incomplete tome, Being and Time (1927), and the philosopher of science Karl Popper argued in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945) that Plato's alleged proposal for a utopian political regime in the Republic was prototypically totalitarian. The political philosopher and professor Leo Strauss is considered by some as the prime thinker involved in the recovery of Platonic thought in its more political, and less metaphysical, form. Deeply influenced by Nietzsche and Heidegger, Strauss nonetheless rejects their condemnation of Plato and looks to the dialogues for a solution to what all three latter day thinkers acknowledge as 'the crisis of the West.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    A citation please.

    That sounds more like Plato's Republic, his division of labor that includes The Guardians. Here is The Republic at Project Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm
    Aristotle seemed to differ on Plato on many things.

    "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms."


    There is more to the next quote, folks like Jefferson and his fellow aristrocrats studied these and knew the grains of truth in sentences like this,

    "The artisans, and the husbandmen, and the warriors, all have a share in the government. But the husbandmen have no arms, and the artisans neither arms nor land, and therefore they become all but slaves of the warrior class. "

    "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

    Not a granted right, rights cannot by the theories of natural law/common law ever be granted. Although some feel they don't exist if a judge or legislature has said so. I guess they would be perfectly fine enforcing Jim Crowe laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    No, the 2A doesn't care what your party affiliation is. It can't. It is an idea. Ideas don't care about crap. They are incapable.

    However, it is clear that liberals do more to infringe on the RKBA than less-left-wing ideologies do. It is highly unusual to find a liberal who supports the RKBA and doesn't just pay lip service to the 2A, with no idea what the RKBA really is.

    Many liberals understand the second amendment, of course most conservatives the second amendment is the only right they recognize. When George Bush was destroying the constitution the conservatives were going "damn socialists don't want to let the government tap their phones, they hate the troops, right to protest the war, they hate the troops"! The conservatives have done far more to destroy the bill of rights then any other modern political philosophy
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    Ya need look farther back into US history than GW to find the root of our current national situation. I suggest that you read up on Woodrow Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Ya need look farther back into US history than GW to find the root of our current national situation. I suggest that you read up on Woodrow Wilson.
    To ad to your list.

    Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and just about every president after him...

    The growth of Government Reagan and on has been horrible.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The fact remains he is a huge Liberal that has made it known in the past he hates gun rights and yet gun owners still support him and they are surprised he is anti gun. Really people.

    He apparently is not the owner of said restaurant .

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    Auburn Hills, Michigan has a Toby Keith bar with the no guns signs in the Great Lakes Crossing Mall. Right next to it is a Bass Pro Shop that welcomes guns and even has a shooting range in the store. Needless to say, I buy my food and drinks at Bass Pro.

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    I can see both sides of the argument here when it comes to allowing/ not allowing firearms in an establishment. To me I look at this as such, it's another business to eat and drink. Just because it's a Toby Keith bar/Grill does not make it any different than per say if a mom and pop cafe opens up. I can see some folks taking this a step further just because it's an establishment with a famous country star.

    All I'm saying is it's just another place to eat and drink and apparently they don't want firearms inside. There are hundreds of other places to eat and drink that allow firearms inside. We can't win every battle that comes up, but complaining based on the fact it's a place of a country singer is a bit off.

    It's just another place to eat and drink, just putting my .02 cents in.
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