Can I OC in TN with a NC CHP Permit?

TDFbound · Jan 2, 2014

As the title suggests, I love acronyms.

*crickets*

Anyways, I live in Asheville, NC, have a valid NC concealed handgun permit, and make frequent trips to TN, especially the Johnson City area. I have always concealed when carrying up there because a friend of mine said it was concealed carry only. So am I able to open carry when in TN?

independence · Jan 2, 2014

Yes. AG cite coming... (Since you love acronyms.)

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independence · Jan 2, 2014

Here is the full TN AG opinion for OC with a permit: http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2005/op/op154.pdf

handgunlaw.us is also a great source for which states recognize your permit, etc. TN recognizes all other states' permits.

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independence · Jan 2, 2014

Be sure to set your friend straight!

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Ken56 · Jan 3, 2014

Permit only

Your friend may have confused this issue with TN is permit only carry, not conceal only carry. You must have a handgun carry permit from any other state if your not a resident of TN. If your a resident (I know your not) then you MUST have your TN HCP.

TDFbound · Jan 3, 2014

Ken56 said:
Your friend may have confused this issue with TN is permit only carry, not conceal only carry. You must have a handgun carry permit from any other state if your not a resident of TN. If your a resident (I know your not) then you MUST have your TN HCP.

OK, so I think I understand this now. TN has a Handgun Carry Permit (allowing both open and concealed carry) and NC has a Concealed Handgun Permit (allowing concealed carry, since NC open carry is already legal without permit). Got it. I'll be rockin' the Glock next week in Johnson City, then!

Ken56 · Jan 3, 2014

Also

I should add that the default is carry is ILLEGAL in TN WITHOUT A PERMIT. So, if a LEO sees your openly carried firearm he CAN ask to see your permit and DL. Most LEO are informed and cool with it but unlike some other states just carrying is RAS here. TN is not a traditional open carry state where you may not have to show ID and permit. And another thing, GUN BUSTER SIGNS HAVE THE WEIGHT OF LAW HERE. If you go into an establishment that has a gun buster sign you have committed a crime just by walking past it. LOOK REAL GOOD BEFORE ENTERING.

independence · Jan 3, 2014

TDFbound said:
OK, so I think I understand this now. TN has a Handgun Carry Permit (allowing both open and concealed carry) and NC has a Concealed Handgun Permit (allowing concealed carry, since NC open carry is already legal without permit). Got it. I'll be rockin' the Glock next week in Johnson City, then!

Correctamundo!

Ken56 said:
I should add that the default is carry is ILLEGAL in TN WITHOUT A PERMIT. So, if a LEO sees your openly carried firearm he CAN ask to see your permit and DL. Most LEO are informed and cool with it but unlike some other states just carrying is RAS here. TN is not a traditional open carry state where you may not have to show ID and permit. And another thing, GUN BUSTER SIGNS HAVE THE WEIGHT OF LAW HERE. If you go into an establishment that has a gun buster sign you have committed a crime just by walking past it. LOOK REAL GOOD BEFORE ENTERING.

He speaks truth here!

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cmr287 · Jan 3, 2014

Type resiprocity map in Google and click on it. There it will bring up a link. It will take u to a map.. that map has two tabs one tab shows you who's permits you stats honor and the other is what states honors yours.. very helpful.

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docachna · Jan 8, 2014

stopping without RAS - OC'er, driver

Ken56 said:
I should add that the default is carry is ILLEGAL in TN WITHOUT A PERMIT. So, if a LEO sees your openly carried firearm he CAN ask to see your permit and DL. Most LEO are informed and cool with it but unlike some other states just carrying is RAS here. TN is not a traditional open carry state where you may not have to show ID and permit.....

So under that rationale, since driving a motor vehicle in TN is illegal without a Tennessee Driver's License, if an LEO sees you driving a motor vehicle on a TN roadway, he CAN ask to see your DL, without having any other RAS that you have committed, are committing, or are about to commit an offense ?

Ken56 · Jan 8, 2014

Well thats TN law, no one said it was logical or rational. We should work to get it changed.

Kopis · Jan 8, 2014

Of course it's already been answered but i am resident of west memphis AR but work and do most of my shopping in memphis. AR is CCW only but i always OC in memphis. TN simply recognizes your permit as an HCP.

independence · Jan 8, 2014

Kopis said:
...AR is CCW...

That's actually quite debatable there, my friend.

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Fallguy · Jan 8, 2014

docachna said:
So under that rationale, since driving a motor vehicle in TN is illegal without a Tennessee Driver's License, if an LEO sees you driving a motor vehicle on a TN roadway, he CAN ask to see your DL, without having any other RAS that you have committed, are committing, or are about to commit an offense ?

This has been addressed many times..... here is the difference.

There isn't a law that says it is illegal to drive. Then a separate law that makes an exception saying you may drive if you have a Drivers License.

But there is a law that says it is illegal to posses a weapon with the intent to go armed in TN. Then there is a separate law that makes some defenses/exceptions. One of those being a HCP.

independence · Jan 8, 2014

Fallguy said:
This has been addressed many times..... here is the difference.

There isn't a law that says it is illegal to drive. Then a separate law that makes an exception saying you may drive if you have a Drivers License.

But there is a law that says it is illegal to posses a weapon with the intent to go armed in TN. Then there is a separate law that makes some defenses/exceptions. One of those being a HCP.

Truth. Unfortunate...but truth.

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Kopis · Jan 9, 2014

independence said:
That's actually quite debatable there, my friend.
.

Indeed it is. Sadly, until someone gets arrested and a courts decide, we're in limbo. My sheriff said they would arrest an OCer so no OC in AR for me.

pfries · Feb 2, 2014

The only time I have been asked for my HCP in the Tri-Cites area was while out with a few of our members.
We met up at the Crazy Tomato, one of my co-workers went as well, he arrived prior to us and got a table.
He does not carry and chose to have a beer,
a few officers showed up dispatch had received a call that a group of men with guns were drinking.
We were asked for our HCP's which they ran, and were subjected to opinions that did not matter.
They followed the law as did we.
This does not say that I agree with the law as it is, but at this juncture it is what it is.

TDFbound · Feb 2, 2014

pfries said:
The only time I have been asked for my HCP in the Tri-Cites area was while out with a few of our members.
We met up at the Crazy Tomato, one of my co-workers went as well, he arrived prior to us and got a table.
He does not carry and chose to have a beer,
a few officers showed up dispatch had received a call that a group of men with guns were drinking.
We were asked for our HCP's which they ran, and were subjected to opinions that did not matter.
They followed the law as did we.
This does not say that I agree with the law as it is, but at this juncture it is what it is.

I wouldn't have even spoken to them. They had no reason to bother you or see any of your identification. Being in the vicinity of an unarmed man who is drinking a beer does not constitute reasonable articulable suspicion that you have or are in the process of committing a crime.

Fallguy · Feb 3, 2014

TDFbound said:
I wouldn't have even spoken to them. They had no reason to bother you or see any of your identification. Being in the vicinity of an unarmed man who is drinking a beer does not constitute reasonable articulable suspicion that you have or are in the process of committing a crime.

How do you figure this since TN law requires you to show your HCP upon demand of a LEO?

Kopis · Feb 3, 2014

fallguy is correct. You are required to produce a CCW or HCP upon request of an LEO in TN. Like it, love it or hate it doesnt matter. It's the law and we abide by that.

Can I OC in TN with a NC CHP Permit?

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