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    False compartment bill in Virginia!

    I had already posted the horrors here. Now, Scott A. Surovell wants to bring that Ohio atrocity here:

    HB 941 Operating a vehicle or vessel containing a false compartment; penalty.
    Operating a vehicle or vessel containing a false compartment; penalty. Provides that it is a Class 6 felony for a person to (i) own or operate a vehicle or vessel containing a false or secret compartment, (ii) install, create, build, or fabricate in any vehicle or vessel a false or secret compartment, or (iii) sell, trade, or otherwise dispose of any vehicle or vessel containing a false or secret compartment. The bill defines a "false or secret compartment" as any enclosure that is integrated into or attached to a vehicle or vessel, the purpose of which is to conceal, hide, or prevent the discovery of a person, controlled substance, or other contraband.
    A Class 6 Felony!!

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    How exactly does one tell the difference between a compartment "the purpose of which is to conceal, hide, or prevent the discovery of a person, controlled substance, or other contraband" vs. for the purpose of hiding a legal firearm or other valuables?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    How exactly does one tell the difference between a compartment "the purpose of which is to conceal, hide, or prevent the discovery of a person, controlled substance, or other contraband" vs. for the purpose of hiding a legal firearm or other valuables?
    The usual experts will opine: "That's for the courts to decide."

    Of course that doesn't stop innocent citizens from being arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    How exactly does one tell the difference between a compartment "the purpose of which is to conceal, hide, or prevent the discovery of a person, controlled substance, or other contraband" vs. for the purpose of hiding a legal firearm or other valuables?
    Obviously, as in the Ohio case, the arresting officer, in his or her professional opinion, "thought" that the guy looked like a drug runner, and "thought" that they smelled pot, even though later tests showed there was none.

    This bill must be killed and fast.

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    Another solution for a non-existent problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Another solution for a non-existent problem.
    Another felony to be twisted against law abiding citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Another felony to be twisted against law abiding citizens.
    No kidding!! Based on the description in the bill.... (and the 'in-ter-pra-tat-tion' of the police officer).... many stock vehicles could have 'secret compartments' right off the showroom floor.

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    Well I suppose all those people who sell those magnetic hide-a-key boxes are going out of business. And, does anyone have one of those (I think it's the Dodge Caravan) minivans with stow-a-way seating?

    I'd ask "just how stupid are these people?" but I think we already know the answer.

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    Illegal drugs are still illegal, but such containers/compartments would make it "illegaler."

    Wonder how many drug dealers have been stopped with clean (no drug residue) hidden compartments?

    It's a charge to make felons of otherwise well intentioned people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Illegal drugs are still illegal, but such containers/compartments would make it "illegaler."

    Wonder how many drug dealers have been stopped with clean (no drug residue) hidden compartments?

    It's a charge to make felons of otherwise well intentioned people.
    Operating a vehicle or vessel containing a false

    I have a cart I move all my equipment on. I'll have it on lobby day. I added a lockable gun safe on it. I guess that would be a felony.

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    Tell them it's to hide Dutch tea and West Indies sugar.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Tell them it's to hide Dutch tea and West Indies sugar.
    Heh, heh, heh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Tell them it's to hide Dutch tea and West Indies sugar.
    Offer to sell tea can apparently get one into a lot of trouble...who knew?
    http://www.americanownews.com/story/...-to-classmates
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    A hidden compartment law does what exactly? The reality is it is just an add on charge to an unlawful act that we already have laws against. Stupid stupid stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Offer to sell tea can apparently get one into a lot of trouble...who knew?
    http://www.americanownews.com/story/...-to-classmates
    You mean offering to sell drugs can get someone in trouble? The wonders never cease
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    A hidden compartment law does what exactly? The reality is it is just an add on charge to an unlawful act that we already have laws against. Stupid stupid stupid.
    Is it? Or is it a stand alone felony?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hayes View Post
    A hidden compartment law does what exactly? The reality is it is just an add on charge to an unlawful act that we already have laws against. Stupid stupid stupid.
    I don't think the guy in Ohio would agree with your assumption that it's only an add-on charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Is it? Or is it a stand alone felony?
    The way it's written it looks like a stand alone to me.

    It's so poorly written I don't think it'll pass muster with the Supreme Court, but how many lives will be ruined before someone takes it that far.

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    Watercraft

    And don't forget, it also applies to watercraft. Many boats, by design, have 'nooks and crannies' where you can stow stuff - gee, a marine felony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Another solution for a non-existent problem.
    Well, the Statists see a problem, usually stated this way:

    Secrecy and Concealment make our job HARDER!

    Well, yeah. So?
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    If they are going to criminalize empty spaces containing nothing, politician's skulls should be added to the list.

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    oh crap! i added an anchor locker to my 15' boat so i had a place to stow the anchor instead of on the deck between the seats. and the batteries are hidden under the seats! OMG! now i cant even sell the damn thing!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    If they are going to criminalize empty spaces containing nothing, politician's skulls should be added to the list.

    Thanks Zoom...I was drinking coffee

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    If they are going to criminalize empty spaces containing nothing, politician's skulls should be added to the list.
    OMG, what a freaking Pull Quote! Two Thumbs up!

    Grape, as Mod what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    OMG, what a freaking Pull Quote! Two Thumbs up!

    Grape, as Mod what do you think?
    Think? Mods are allowed to think? When was someone going to tell me

    Let's check the book under politicians we have: McAuliffe, Saslaw, Warner, Webb, Morissey, Hope, and a few more. Checking their records..........computing. Opposed to OC and RKBA for self-defense.........elitists.......hmmmm.

    Ok, I'm ready now. What was the question?
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