MackTheKnife
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The idea of warning shots scares the Navy brass.
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i agree 100%. OC offers the visual deterrent without unholstering the weapon. I strongly disagree with un-holstering your weapon to deter a criminal. Once you pull it, you've got to use it because you have escalated the situation and are implying imminent use of deadly force whereas a properly OCed pistol offers the visual deterrent without the escalation.
Would it? What's the text of the Arkansas Code re 'brandishing'?i guess we just see it differently. I think it is huge responsibility to carry a firearm. I am not an LEO and therefore cannot draw it to diffuse a situation (that would be brandishing). My CCW instructor told us never to draw if we dont need to pull the trigger to prevent imminent bodily harm or death. I think that if people are encouraged to draw to diffuse situations, there is likely to be a lot more people drawing their firearm when it is not appropriate or when deadly force is not being met with deadly force. I know that's hard to read but for example, if you were to happen across two guys fist fighting, the new law might allow a CCW holder to think it would be ok to brandish or even discharge a round to break up the fight when he/she is not being met with deadly force.
Besides, since i like to pistol shoot and shoot idpa, they're going to have a field day anyway. that's just the world we live in sadly.
The Sailors have to be taught NO warning shots due to the Secretary of the Navy instruction (SECNAVINST 5500.29) that says so. Warning shots with a rifle or crew-served weapon is authorized against maritime threats.
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Any statement on this site that a person will only draw to defend themselves from a threat is not going to hurt their case. On the contrary, a person who posts that they draw as a deterrent, or takes warning shots will most likely be buried if they actually have to use their firearm.
Hopefully when USER has time he will weigh in on this.
So warning shots under certain circumstances could not only a good idea but allowable.
The Sailors have to be taught NO warning shots due to the Secretary of the Navy instruction (SECNAVINST 5500.29) that says so. Warning shots with a rifle or crew-served weapon is authorized against maritime threats.
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Yes. But this is Navy specific. I am also a govt instructor who teaches the high risk courses and we don't teach warning shots.
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WW, it's not that he said he'd draw only in self-defense, I don't believe anyone on this site would do otherwise.Any statement on this site that a person will only draw to defend themselves from a threat is not going to hurt their case. On the contrary, a person who posts that they draw as a deterrent, or takes warning shots will most likely be buried if they actually have to use their firearm.
Hopefully when USER has time he will weigh in on this.
WW, it's not that he said he'd draw only in self-defense, I don't believe anyone on this site would do otherwise.
However, the statement "...Once you pull it, you've got to use it ..." is going to play very, Very BADLY in court should he ever be involved in a self-defense situation. It says quite plainly (and the prosecutor is going to be quite clear to the judge and jury in regards to it) that Kopis, once drawn, is going to commit homicide.
Even if the aggressor throws down his gun, kneels and prays to Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Kopis has stated that he'll shoot. That is a very unwise statement to make.
A gun isn't Kukri, it doesn't 'have to taste blood' once drawn.
i agree 100%. OC offers the visual deterrent without unholstering the weapon. I strongly disagree with unholstering your weapon to deter a criminal. Once you pull it, you've got to use it because you have escalated the situation and are implying imminent use of deadly force whereas a properly OCed pistol offers the visual deterrent without the escalation.
No shout show shove shoot shoot shoot?
Shout stop
Show weapon
Shove away
Warning shot
Disable shot (if vehicle, engine block if crew served weapon)
Kill shot
This was standard EOF for us folks in the sand.
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No shout show shove shoot shoot shoot?
Shout stop
Show weapon
Shove away
Warning shot
Disable shot (if vehicle, engine block if crew served weapon)
Kill shot
This was standard EOF for us folks in the sand.
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Please provide a link and cite for this ROE? Give me a while to stop laughing first though. I never heard of soldiers in a combat situation shouting stop and showing weapon. Unless they were on guard duty, like a dorm guard, and there is no weapon involved, sorry but I am still laughing.
Sounds like a perfect mix to a purple heart, great if that is what you are looking for...:lol:
Ww its EOF not ROE. ROE is rules of engagement. The overall rules for that area. EOF is escalation of force.
It really doesn't matter what you have ever "heard of". Your not all knowing. Unless you've been in the military in the last 10 years and unless you've deployed to a combat zone you probably haven't heard it. Kick rocks.
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When I'm instructing new sailors with firearms, the question of "warning shots" always comes up. This is what I tell them. "There is no such thing as a warning shot with small arms. If you find yourself in a situation where Deadly Force is necessary, the warning is verbal and your gun is drawn. The bad guy has 2 choices at that point....stop what they are doing....or get shot....period."
The bad guy makes that decision for me. Whether I pull the trigger or not is up to him. But once I pull trigger, I, ME, MYSELF....is responsible for that round and what it hits. This proposed bill is complete and utter GARBAGE!!!!
Just my $0.02.
Yes. But this is Navy specific. I am also a govt instructor who teaches the high risk courses and we don't teach warning shots.
Razor Max Tapatalk.
No shout show shove shoot shoot shoot?
Shout stop
Show weapon
Shove away
Warning shot
Disable shot (if vehicle, engine block if crew served weapon)
Kill shot
This was standard EOF for us folks in the sand.
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