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    VA US Rep Goodlatte Leads the RINO charge on Amnesty for at least 6 million Illegals

    Looks like Old Dominion state's 'representative' want to change the state's name of Old Domingo....

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/13/go...ion-bill-push/

    Have already advised our daughter in Lexington to get her friends to call HER Rep's office and raise a ruckus. You would think that Texas would have the Reps doing this - perhaps Goodlatte thinks the new Dem Governor will back him up on this before he switches to be a Democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    Looks like Old Dominion state's 'representative' want to change the state's name of Old Domingo....

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/13/go...ion-bill-push/

    Have already advised our daughter in Lexington to get her friends to call HER Rep's office and raise a ruckus. You would think that Texas would have the Reps doing this - perhaps Goodlatte thinks the new Dem Governor will back him up on this before he switches to be a Democrat.
    Whereas Terry is nothing but Hitlery lite, you can bet he will support him.

    Virginia is screwed fore the next 4 years.

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    Boehner tells business groups - absolute movement on Immigration b4 Nov14 elections

    Looks like US Rep Goodlatte is the architect of Mexico-on-the-James

    Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R., Va.), chairman of the HouseJudiciary Committee, delivered an upbeat message about legislative prospects during a recent trip to Silicon Valley, said Carl Guardino, chief executive of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group, who hosted his visit.

    He said Mr. Goodlatte told him action in 2014 was "entirely possible," likely in the form of votes this summer on five to seven immigration bills. A spokeswoman for Mr. Goodlatte declined to comment on the exchange.


    From the Wall Street Journal which is a BIG supporter of no borders
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...839546088.html
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    And this relates to the open carry of a properly-holstered handgun ... how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    And this relates to the open carry of a properly-holstered handgun ... how?
    Blind fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    And this relates to the open carry of a properly-holstered handgun ... how?
    It is a stretch, but the connect is there.

    The Democrats tend to be more anti gun/freedom. If all illegals were "granted" full rights, it is presumed they will most often tend to vote Democrat (thanking their benefactors); thereby further deluting our influence = costing us dearly re RKBA.

    The OP should have made this connection obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It is a stretch, but the connect is there.

    The Democrats tend to be more anti gun/freedom. If all illegals were "granted" full rights, it is presumed they will most often tend to vote Democrat (thanking their benefactors); thereby further deluting our influence = costing us dearly re RKBA.

    The OP should have made this connection obvious.
    What, and Republicans are somehow prevented from doing the same thing?

    Like I said. Blind fear.

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    2 types of people come here from mexico..

    1st) honorable people looking to get the heck out of mexico (can't blame them really - for trying)

    2nd) criminals trying to escape mexican justice

    ratio? nobody really knows ... democrats will tell you zero but you know that's a lie...

    And how many persons are criminals? 10,000? 1,000,000? I'd rather have the # than a %.

    0.01% seems small .. 10,000 murders? Sounds a whole lot worse.

    I gave an interview to a news crew ... pointing out that murders come across the boarder...that was then end of the interview ~ they did not like someone pointing this out.

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    My question is what is the VA US (R) Rep doing leading the charge to legalize Illegals and still not secure the border? Is VA full of issues from this? Voting stats show Repubs % of Hispanic votes has been dropping since Reagan- abt 30% for Romney. That means 70% for Dems and you get the bonus of alienating your base because you have not stopped the problem at the border. Of corse this give the Libs more votes to control and restrict guns. Watch how it is going to roll out in VA w this dope Goodlattes' efforts w Boehner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    2 types of people come here from mexico..

    1st) honorable people looking to get the heck out of mexico (can't blame them really - for trying)

    2nd) criminals trying to escape mexican justice

    ratio? nobody really knows ... democrats will tell you zero but you know that's a lie...

    And how many persons are criminals? 10,000? 1,000,000? I'd rather have the # than a %.

    0.01% seems small .. 10,000 murders? Sounds a whole lot worse.

    I gave an interview to a news crew ... pointing out that murders come across the boarder...that was then end of the interview ~ they did not like someone pointing this out.
    Only "2 types of people come" across the "boarder" [sic]? Really? and you have a cite for that statement? No one comes across to get work and send money back home? All the rest are criminals? Where do you get this crap or do you just make it all up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It is a stretch, but the connect is there.

    The Democrats tend to be more anti gun/freedom. If all illegals were "granted" full rights, it is presumed they will most often tend to vote Democrat (thanking their benefactors); thereby further deluting our influence = costing us dearly re RKBA.

    The OP should have made this connection obvious.
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    What, and Republicans are somehow prevented from doing the same thing?

    Like I said. Blind fear.
    It's difficult to reach Latino voters when the candidates have a white face and you've been indoctrinated for years about how bad "gringos" have treated people of your color, or how it is the fault of the "gringos" that you're not living in a mansion and driving a Ferrari, but Democrats have always been your friends and give you table scraps as long as you keep voting for them.

    Ask me how I'm viewed by half the members of my church for pointing out how they sell their votes for handouts that are paid for by stolen money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    2 types of people come here from mexico..

    1st) honorable people looking to get the heck out of mexico (can't blame them really - for trying)

    2nd) criminals trying to escape mexican justice
    SNIP...
    I gave an interview to a news crew ... pointing out that murders come across the boarder...that was then end of the interview ~ they did not like someone pointing this out.
    3) People who ACTUALLY want to work and live like they see on TV
    4) People who want to live like they see on TV, but don't want to work and sign up for welfare, WIC, and food stamps as soon as they can.
    The list goes on, and on.

    Your blanket statement is akin to what the antis say of gun owners: "Only criminals and cops carry guns. If you aren't a cop, then you're a criminal."
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Only "2 types of people come" across the "boarder" [sic]? Really? and you have a cite for that statement? No one comes across to get work and send money back home? All the rest are criminals? Where do you get this crap or do you just make it all up?

    Another useless post in the Virginia forum from a Connecticut Yankee.
    There may be other categories or subdivisions .. please please tell us that criminals don't cross the boarder. That was my main focus if you could read. Clean off the chaw from your screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesCanby View Post
    Only "2 types of people come" across the "boarder" [sic]? Really? and you have a cite for that statement? No one comes across to get work and send money back home? All the rest are criminals? Where do you get this crap or do you just make it all up?

    Another useless post in the Virginia forum from a Connecticut Yankee.
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    There may be other categories or subdivisions .. please please tell us that criminals don't cross the boarder. That was my main focus if you could read. Clean off the chaw from your screen.
    Then you could have simply stated:

    "2 GENERAL types of people come across the border:
    1) Honourable people
    2) Dishonourable people"
    I carry to defend my loved ones; Desensitizing and educating are secondary & tertiary reasons. Anything else is unintended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    There may be other categories or subdivisions .. please please tell us that criminals don't cross the boarder. That was my main focus if you could read. Clean off the chaw from your screen.
    Well, I suspect that if they cross the boarder [sic], they will suffer his wrath. On the other hand, there are may reasons why one would want to cross the BORDER, and not all are dishonorable. Don't they teach spelling in troll high school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    2 types of people come here from mexico..

    1st) honorable people looking to get the heck out of mexico (can't blame them really - for trying)

    2nd) criminals trying to escape mexican.
    From my viewpoint ALL of them are criminals in that they broke the law when they came here. Legal immigration from Latin America is what - 1 million a year?

    SECURE THE BORDER. Then we deal with how many should come here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPmatt View Post
    SECURE THE BORDER. Then we deal with how many should come here.
    Government is not, has never been, and will never be capable of such an undertaking.

    Government can't even follow its own laws or balance a budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Government is not, has never been, and will never be capable of such an undertaking.

    Government can't even follow its own laws or balance a budget.
    Pretty much this.

    Though I have to admit, "SECURE THE BORDER" comes across to me as a serious dose of tilting at windmills anyway. Imaginary and arbitrary lines, do not security make. Oh...right..."dey tuk err jerbs!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    It is a stretch, but the connect is there.

    The Democrats tend to be more anti gun/freedom. If all illegals were "granted" full rights, it is presumed they will most often tend to vote Democrat (thanking their benefactors); thereby further deluting our influence = costing us dearly re RKBA.

    The OP should have made this connection obvious.
    Changed my mind, particularly because of the thread direction. Moving this to the Social Lounge.
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    Sounds like they are not RINO's at all, Republican party from the beginning were a party of big government and overreach and pandering to special interest.


    Why do they always avoid the obvious, get rid of the unconstitutional drug wars , the welfare nanny state, ridiculous protectionism then migration of people wouldn't be much of an issue.

    There is a growing number of US folks emigrating to get away from the US too, something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    There is a growing number of US folks emigrating to get away from the US too, something to think about.
    Nonsense. I lived in San Francisco. I know firsthand what it's like to live under an invasion.

    Of course, I do remain confused on how a bunch of Germans showing up to work as busboys in their myriad ethnic restaurants caused the fall of Rome... But there's only so much history a guy can master, amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    2 types of people come here from mexico..

    1st) honorable people looking to get the heck out of mexico (can't blame them really - for trying)

    2nd) criminals trying to escape mexican justice
    Both of them vote democrat. Both of them bring their system of Mexican corruption and socialism. Both of them have ruined California causing good people to flee to other states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    Both of them vote democrat. Both of them bring their system of Mexican corruption and socialism. Both of them have ruined California causing good people to flee to other states.
    Who elected, or didn't stop, the lawmakers before the current crop of "immigrates" arrived?

    It is easier to blame outsiders for inside failings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onus View Post
    Both of them vote democrat. Both of them bring their system of Mexican corruption and socialism. Both of them have ruined California causing good people to flee to other states.
    Honestly, I don't give a **** who they vote for. Mexico has turned into a war torn cesspool, and I can't blame a single honest person who fled from there. I would propose that any who have been here for more than two years, not on public assistance, and have no criminal background, should be granted amnesty and citizenship. To me, their flight to the US is no different than when people hauled ass out of Chicago and Detroit when those cities started going to hell. Why is it that they should be ostracized, just because the imaginary line they crossed happened to be Texas/Mexico, and not Illinois/Indiana? Legality and morality are not necessarily one and the same.

    Let us not forget, this country was largely built by those who didn't speak a single word of English, who were just looking for a better way of life. Hell, the company that I work for has to hire many Guatemalans (and yes, they make almost as much as I do, so the "cheap labor" argument can be cast aside in at least one case, and likely most) because most of the natural born US citizens we hire end up being next to worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Honestly, I don't give a **** who they vote for. Mexico has turned into a war torn cesspool, and I can't blame a single honest person who fled from there. I would propose that any who have been here for more than two years, not on public assistance, and have no criminal background, should be granted amnesty and citizenship. To me, their flight to the US is no different than when people hauled ass out of Chicago and Detroit when those cities started going to hell. Why is it that they should be ostracized, just because the imaginary line they crossed happened to be Texas/Mexico, and not Illinois/Indiana? Legality and morality are not necessarily one and the same.

    Let us not forget, this country was largely built by those who didn't speak a single word of English, who were just looking for a better way of life. Hell, the company that I work for has to hire many Guatemalans (and yes, they make almost as much as I do, ** ***** ***"cheap labor" argument ** **** ***) because most of the natural born US citizens we hire end up being next to worthless.
    It's a cesspool from a lot of U.S. crap to boot.
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